Eric, The bar clamp section of my Ortho bars is much more off center than yours, and I think if I sold them to someone sight unseen, they would be justifiably PO'd. If I tried to clamp my Ortho bar in a stem, I would be tightening the stem down on the section transitioning from the 25.4mm clamp section to the 22.2 bar.
Crust emailed me within minutes telling me to send the bars back. This must be a complete bummer for them, and I only hope they recover compensation from the manufacturer. I think if the shape of these bars was based on the Albatross rather than the Bosco, they would fit more bikes, and give people more choices in stem length to fit their bodies and riding positions. I think the Ortho's don't need shorter grip sections, they just need some reach, maybe 3-5cm? YMMV, John On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:25:40 AM UTC-8 [email protected] wrote: > @John & Sam: I'm sure you could easily unload those bars, even with the > asymmetry! > > Now, regarding the asymmetry. I spent a bit of time looking closely at my > bars last night. When I align the Ortho Bars with a loose set of Albatross > bars with both sets facing the same way, nestled together, they very > clearly don't line up. I assume that the Nitto bars are perfectly > symmetrical given Nitto's reputation for precision. In the photo I placed > the rule centered beneath the Albatross bars. > > However, when I flip the bars around into an interlocking orientation the > clamps do appear centered. There must be some inconsistency with the rise > or bends of the Ortho bars that prevents them from nestling on center with > the Albatross bars when they're both oriented the same direction. When > measuring I could not determine where the inconsistency is. > > I measured my Ortho bars from outside to outside, found the center line > and measured to the left and right from there. There is a slight > inconsistency in the textured clamp area but it's about 1.2mm. Same for the > taper of the bar, which I measured with calipers. There's some > inconsistency but for handlebars it's trivial. > > [image: IMG_8497.JPG][image: IMG_8498.JPG][image: IMG_8500.JPG] > > [image: IMG_8492.JPG][image: IMG_8493.JPG] > [image: IMG_8494.JPG][image: IMG_8496.JPG] > On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:55:43 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote: > >> I should have said I have the extinct 56cm Albatross bars which are also >> a different shape, wider up near bend. >> >> John >> >> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 11:30:00 PM UTC-8 [email protected] >> wrote: >> >>> That’s odd. I didn’t notice anything off with mine, but now I’m curious >>> and will have to check. I think I disagree on them being not much wider >>> than Albas though. >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 13:13 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I received my Ortho bars only to discover the bars are not >>>> symmetrical. Both the structural 25.4mm bar clamp section and the >>>> roughened >>>> grip section for the bar clamp are closer to the right hand side of the >>>> bars, and neither is lined up with each other. I could live with the >>>> roughened section being a bit off, but the 25.4mm bar clamp section is way >>>> too far over to the right. I wrote Crust an email asking about a return. >>>> These bars are so wide you don't immediately notice something is off, but >>>> when I pulled out my 56mm Albatross bars to compare, I noticed the bar >>>> clamp sections wouldn't line up. I was trying to measure just how much >>>> stem >>>> extension I was going to need to move over from my Alba's to the Ortho >>>> bars, and saw something was really off. >>>> >>>> These bars are not actually a ton wider than my Alba's so I'll just >>>> stick with my albatross cockpit for now. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:40:56 AM UTC-8 [email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm going to throw up a WTT thread at some point, but the Ron's Ortho >>>>> bars have just a couple of inch or inch and a half too much backwards >>>>> reach >>>>> for my 62cm Hunqapillar (pictured here with a 120mm Technomic). I think >>>>> I'd be better off with a Billie bar. I'm in northern NJ, work in >>>>> Manhattan, if anyone would be interested in a trade... >>>>> >>>>> [image: Screenshot 2022-02-10 161030.png] >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 3:37:30 PM UTC-5 [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks John, maybe Ronny Romance just has a huge stack of 26mm clamp >>>>>> stems from the 1990s in his parts stash :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I bought a used Clem H in April 2021 and built it with a set of steel >>>>>> Ergotec Beach cruiser bars because they were the only thing >>>>>> I could find that looked even little a bit like the Ortho bars. I >>>>>> really love the range of positions, and the sweep is much more natural >>>>>> than >>>>>> flat mtb bars. Not so keen on the 880g weight though... >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 20:05, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Eric, >>>>>>> I tried out a 120mm Technomic Deluxe and a 120mm Pearl for >>>>>>> initial fit, and I liked the little bit of extra reach the Pearl gives >>>>>>> me. >>>>>>> A Nitto Pearl stem sunk all the way down in my Hunqapillar's short head >>>>>>> tube still puts these bars about 8 cm's above my saddle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For some reason, Nitto measures the Pearl differently than the >>>>>>> Technomic Deluxe and the Pearl is about 8-9mm longer. Why? I don't know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if I decide later I need to raise these bars a bit higher, I >>>>>>> think I'm going to need that one extra centimeter of the 130mm >>>>>>> Technomic >>>>>>> Deluxe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Johnny, >>>>>>> Most handlebars Crust sells are 26mm or 31.8mm, maybe that's why? >>>>>>> Could strength be a factor? Fingers crossed Crust starts to stock some >>>>>>> 120-130mm stems for these bars. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the demand for these bars caught Crust & Uncle Ron >>>>>>> completely off guard. Back in February 2021, when I emailed Uncle Ron >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> questions about a photo of what looked like giant, mutant Albatross >>>>>>> bars on >>>>>>> his Atlantis(?), he answered, "congrats on being the only person >>>>>>> interested in my ortho back bars lol. it's a state of mind... " >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But then Crust put up those Uncle Ron's Orthopedic Back Bars >>>>>>> Sesion#1-#3 ride videos up on Youtube, and Uncle Ron posted Instagram >>>>>>> photos, and they created a monster. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 4:22:13 PM UTC-8 [email protected] >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @frahm30: I'm working on three builds plus a repair plus a >>>>>>>> drivetrain upgrade! Five bikes in varying stages of... disaster. Sorry >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> tempt you with my Ortho Fresh Bars (Still In Box for maximum health >>>>>>>> benefits). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John, Ben's Cycle has the 26.0 clamp diameter, 190mm quill >>>>>>>> Technomic deluxe in size up to 120mm. If you can abide that lost >>>>>>>> centimeter check >>>>>>>> 'em here >>>>>>>> <https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-ntc-dx-technomic-deluxe-long-quill-stem-stem_nitto_ntc-dxlong_870/p?skuId=673316> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5 John Phillips >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been trying to find a 130mm Technomic deluxe with a 190mm >>>>>>>>> quill, but it looks like I'll have to use a 120mm Nitto Pearl until I >>>>>>>>> do. I >>>>>>>>> don't need them too high, so fingers crossed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:10:23 AM UTC-8 Bones wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sadly mine are in the shed too, and have not yet seen any use. I >>>>>>>>>> attached them to my Clem H on a 12cm Tallux but I haven't finished >>>>>>>>>> putting >>>>>>>>>> it together. A 26.0 faceplater quill would probably be ideal but I >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> know where to find one of those. I've got an extra dirt drop but I >>>>>>>>>> assumed >>>>>>>>>> that would bring them too close to me. One of those threadless stem >>>>>>>>>> adapters would probably work great but I'm not too keen on the >>>>>>>>>> aesthetics. >>>>>>>>>> I'm not a huge dude and I don't anticipate I'll have any issues with >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Tallux. I'll be sure to report back once I get it rolling though. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bones >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 8:18:25 PM UTC-5 [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Still in the shed? Oh man. Sure you don’t want to just pass them >>>>>>>>>>> along? Because I’m in! Haha >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:16:57 PM UTC-8 John Phillips >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Orthopedic back Bars...for performance applications" 👍 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That gave me a chuckle. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 2:14:35 PM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> John – I haven't tried the bars but have a set in the shed. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to recall somewhere Ron recommended adding some friction >>>>>>>>>>>>> compound to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the stem. Oh, I found it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 5.14.07 PM.png] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-5 Sam Perez >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found that a single bolt dirt drip stem holds okay, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mounted it on a 4 bolt stem it felt more secure, yet to be field >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tested. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 12:32 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bunch <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And did you need any friction paste or Loctite in the bar >>>>>>>>>>>>>> clamp? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5e1e78f7-0869-49ea-b359-309bc00dafbfn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5e1e78f7-0869-49ea-b359-309bc00dafbfn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>>> the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/sWrZSuNYb2g/unsubscribe >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5ee012c7-4272-4b98-96a6-42e382c0def4n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5ee012c7-4272-4b98-96a6-42e382c0def4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/sWrZSuNYb2g/unsubscribe >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/71cbce61-efa8-4432-acde-e8a03130d887n%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/71cbce61-efa8-4432-acde-e8a03130d887n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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