Ok, this is really, really embarrassing, but I rechecked my Ortho bars before packing them up for return, and they are not, definitely NOT as FUBAR'ed as I had described earlier.
I'm really doubting my sanity here. I remeasured where the bar clamp section was, checked it over with calipers, and the 26mm bar clamp section is right where the stem needs it to be. The roughened section is a bit off, but still where the stem needs it to be. What in the world made me see otherwise? This is scary, I hope this isn't a sign of early dementia. I have to email Crust and apologize. Comparing the Ortho bars to my Albatross bars does show off the Ortho bars' flaws more than you notice just looking at the Ortho Bars alone. The right side grips are about 5mm higher than the left, and the clamp section's flaws look worse when held up next to Nitto's, but they are perfectly usable bars. I'm going to keep these and try these out with as a long a stem as I can find, and hopefully get them to work. I apologize to everyone for my what I wrote earlier. John On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 10:46:12 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote: > John – Sorry your bars are wack! Yeah, must be a bummer for Crust with a > ton of people saying "When ya gonna get me some more of these bars!" and > other people saying "I got these bars but they're FUBARs!" > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 1:13:26 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote: > >> Eric, The bar clamp section of my Ortho bars is much more off center >> than yours, and I think if I sold them to someone sight unseen, they would >> be justifiably PO'd. If I tried to clamp my Ortho bar in a stem, I would be >> tightening the stem down on the section transitioning from the 25.4mm clamp >> section to the 22.2 bar. >> >> Crust emailed me within minutes telling me to send the bars back. This >> must be a complete bummer for them, and I only hope they recover >> compensation from the manufacturer. >> >> I think if the shape of these bars was based on the Albatross rather than >> the Bosco, they would fit more bikes, and give people more choices in stem >> length to fit their bodies and riding positions. I think the Ortho's don't >> need shorter grip sections, they just need some reach, maybe 3-5cm? >> >> YMMV, >> >> John >> >> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:25:40 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> @John & Sam: I'm sure you could easily unload those bars, even with the >>> asymmetry! >>> >>> Now, regarding the asymmetry. I spent a bit of time looking closely at >>> my bars last night. When I align the Ortho Bars with a loose set of >>> Albatross bars with both sets facing the same way, nestled together, they >>> very clearly don't line up. I assume that the Nitto bars are perfectly >>> symmetrical given Nitto's reputation for precision. In the photo I placed >>> the rule centered beneath the Albatross bars. >>> >>> However, when I flip the bars around into an interlocking orientation >>> the clamps do appear centered. There must be some inconsistency with the >>> rise or bends of the Ortho bars that prevents them from nestling on center >>> with the Albatross bars when they're both oriented the same direction. When >>> measuring I could not determine where the inconsistency is. >>> >>> I measured my Ortho bars from outside to outside, found the center line >>> and measured to the left and right from there. There is a slight >>> inconsistency in the textured clamp area but it's about 1.2mm. Same for the >>> taper of the bar, which I measured with calipers. There's some >>> inconsistency but for handlebars it's trivial. >>> >>> [image: IMG_8497.JPG][image: IMG_8498.JPG][image: IMG_8500.JPG] >>> >>> [image: IMG_8492.JPG][image: IMG_8493.JPG] >>> [image: IMG_8494.JPG][image: IMG_8496.JPG] >>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:55:43 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote: >>> >>>> I should have said I have the extinct 56cm Albatross bars which are >>>> also a different shape, wider up near bend. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 11:30:00 PM UTC-8 >>>> brianmark...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> That’s odd. I didn’t notice anything off with mine, but now I’m >>>>> curious and will have to check. I think I disagree on them being not much >>>>> wider than Albas though. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 13:13 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch < >>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I received my Ortho bars only to discover the bars are not >>>>>> symmetrical. Both the structural 25.4mm bar clamp section and the >>>>>> roughened >>>>>> grip section for the bar clamp are closer to the right hand side of the >>>>>> bars, and neither is lined up with each other. I could live with the >>>>>> roughened section being a bit off, but the 25.4mm bar clamp section is >>>>>> way >>>>>> too far over to the right. I wrote Crust an email asking about a return. >>>>>> These bars are so wide you don't immediately notice something is off, >>>>>> but >>>>>> when I pulled out my 56mm Albatross bars to compare, I noticed the bar >>>>>> clamp sections wouldn't line up. I was trying to measure just how much >>>>>> stem >>>>>> extension I was going to need to move over from my Alba's to the Ortho >>>>>> bars, and saw something was really off. >>>>>> >>>>>> These bars are not actually a ton wider than my Alba's so I'll >>>>>> just stick with my albatross cockpit for now. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:40:56 AM UTC-8 mcgr...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm going to throw up a WTT thread at some point, but the Ron's >>>>>>> Ortho bars have just a couple of inch or inch and a half too much >>>>>>> backwards >>>>>>> reach for my 62cm Hunqapillar (pictured here with a 120mm Technomic). >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> think I'd be better off with a Billie bar. I'm in northern NJ, work in >>>>>>> Manhattan, if anyone would be interested in a trade... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Screenshot 2022-02-10 161030.png] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 3:37:30 PM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks John, maybe Ronny Romance just has a huge stack of 26mm >>>>>>>> clamp stems from the 1990s in his parts stash :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I bought a used Clem H in April 2021 and built it with a set of >>>>>>>> steel Ergotec Beach cruiser bars because they were the only thing >>>>>>>> I could find that looked even little a bit like the Ortho bars. I >>>>>>>> really love the range of positions, and the sweep is much more natural >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> flat mtb bars. Not so keen on the 880g weight though... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 20:05, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch < >>>>>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Eric, >>>>>>>>> I tried out a 120mm Technomic Deluxe and a 120mm Pearl for >>>>>>>>> initial fit, and I liked the little bit of extra reach the Pearl >>>>>>>>> gives me. >>>>>>>>> A Nitto Pearl stem sunk all the way down in my Hunqapillar's short >>>>>>>>> head >>>>>>>>> tube still puts these bars about 8 cm's above my saddle. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For some reason, Nitto measures the Pearl differently than the >>>>>>>>> Technomic Deluxe and the Pearl is about 8-9mm longer. Why? I don't >>>>>>>>> know. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So if I decide later I need to raise these bars a bit higher, I >>>>>>>>> think I'm going to need that one extra centimeter of the 130mm >>>>>>>>> Technomic >>>>>>>>> Deluxe. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Johnny, >>>>>>>>> Most handlebars Crust sells are 26mm or 31.8mm, maybe that's >>>>>>>>> why? Could strength be a factor? Fingers crossed Crust starts to >>>>>>>>> stock >>>>>>>>> some 120-130mm stems for these bars. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think the demand for these bars caught Crust & Uncle Ron >>>>>>>>> completely off guard. Back in February 2021, when I emailed Uncle >>>>>>>>> Ron with >>>>>>>>> questions about a photo of what looked like giant, mutant Albatross >>>>>>>>> bars on >>>>>>>>> his Atlantis(?), he answered, "congrats on being the only person >>>>>>>>> interested in my ortho back bars lol. it's a state of mind... " >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But then Crust put up those Uncle Ron's Orthopedic Back Bars >>>>>>>>> Sesion#1-#3 ride videos up on Youtube, and Uncle Ron posted Instagram >>>>>>>>> photos, and they created a monster. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 4:22:13 PM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> @frahm30: I'm working on three builds plus a repair plus a >>>>>>>>>> drivetrain upgrade! Five bikes in varying stages of... disaster. >>>>>>>>>> Sorry to >>>>>>>>>> tempt you with my Ortho Fresh Bars (Still In Box for maximum health >>>>>>>>>> benefits). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John, Ben's Cycle has the 26.0 clamp diameter, 190mm quill >>>>>>>>>> Technomic deluxe in size up to 120mm. If you can abide that lost >>>>>>>>>> centimeter check >>>>>>>>>> 'em here >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-ntc-dx-technomic-deluxe-long-quill-stem-stem_nitto_ntc-dxlong_870/p?skuId=673316> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5 John Phillips >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've been trying to find a 130mm Technomic deluxe with a 190mm >>>>>>>>>>> quill, but it looks like I'll have to use a 120mm Nitto Pearl until >>>>>>>>>>> I do. I >>>>>>>>>>> don't need them too high, so fingers crossed. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:10:23 AM UTC-8 Bones wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly mine are in the shed too, and have not yet seen any use. >>>>>>>>>>>> I attached them to my Clem H on a 12cm Tallux but I haven't >>>>>>>>>>>> finished >>>>>>>>>>>> putting it together. A 26.0 faceplater quill would probably be >>>>>>>>>>>> ideal but I >>>>>>>>>>>> don't know where to find one of those. I've got an extra dirt drop >>>>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>>>> assumed that would bring them too close to me. One of those >>>>>>>>>>>> threadless stem >>>>>>>>>>>> adapters would probably work great but I'm not too keen on the >>>>>>>>>>>> aesthetics. >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a huge dude and I don't anticipate I'll have any issues >>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>> Tallux. I'll be sure to report back once I get it rolling though. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bones >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 8:18:25 PM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>>> fra...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Still in the shed? Oh man. Sure you don’t want to just pass >>>>>>>>>>>>> them along? Because I’m in! Haha >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:16:57 PM UTC-8 John Phillips >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Orthopedic back Bars...for performance applications" 👍 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That gave me a chuckle. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 2:14:35 PM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John – I haven't tried the bars but have a set in the shed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I seem to recall somewhere Ron recommended adding some friction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compound to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the stem. Oh, I found it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 5.14.07 PM.png] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-5 Sam Perez >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found that a single bolt dirt drip stem holds okay, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mounted it on a 4 bolt stem it felt more secure, yet to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> field tested. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 12:32 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And did you need any friction paste or Loctite in the bar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clamp? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5e1e78f7-0869-49ea-b359-309bc00dafbfn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5e1e78f7-0869-49ea-b359-309bc00dafbfn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>>>>> the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/sWrZSuNYb2g/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email >>>>>>>>> to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5ee012c7-4272-4b98-96a6-42e382c0def4n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5ee012c7-4272-4b98-96a6-42e382c0def4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>> the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/sWrZSuNYb2g/unsubscribe >>>>>> . >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/71cbce61-efa8-4432-acde-e8a03130d887n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/71cbce61-efa8-4432-acde-e8a03130d887n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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