That’s going to be quite a bike. It’s almost exactly what I would ask for if I had the dough. I’m excited, and it’s not even my bike!
Eamon Seattle On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote: > John > > I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets. 27mm tubulars. Rene > Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35). For kicks I'll > probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38). > > I don't plan on using fenders. I plan on being able to use fenders. I > don't have a width or model in mind at the moment. > > I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers. Those brakes are super > light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable. My opinion is that they > can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and fork with > those brakes in mind. Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd trust to > execute that, because both have done it dozens of times. > > I expect to take delivery about a year from now. Nobilette's queue is > indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and Nobilettes. > I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope he is charging what > he needs to keep the lights on. I was happy to pay the price I've paid. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote: > >> Bill >> >> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with it. >> The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs. Well worth the >> cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems. I'd vote >> for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main color looks best. >> >> 4 questions >> What size tire will you use?? >> Sounds like you plan on using fenders. What width are you planning on?? >> What brakes do you plan on using?? >> What is the lead time?? I thought the last Blaugh talked about closing >> the custom order book for a time and then starting again something like 1 >> year later >> >> John Hawrylak >> Woodstown NJ >> >> >> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:12:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >>> Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo or a >>> Rivendell Custom >>> >>> Yes, it's a Roadeo. It is priced like a Roadeo, will have Roadeo >>> graphics, and is not a custom. I went to rivbike.com, put a 59cm >>> Roadeo in my cart and paid for it. Over email with Mark A, I specified a >>> bunch of details. They included: >>> >>> -threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost options) >>> -DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops are no-cost >>> options) >>> -canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there will be an >>> upcharge) >>> -a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown. Holds the fork blades >>> a tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement. Will not change the A-C >>> fork length >>> -I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on rear housing >>> stop. I asked Mark A if I could get a one-arm braze on like is pictured on >>> one of his personal custom cross bikes, and he said OK. I don't know what >>> I'll pay for that >>> -Roadeo Top Tube slotted cable guides are normally down low and >>> off-center from 6 o'clock. Legolas slotted cable guides are at 12 o'clock >>> for two cross-racing reasons. I asked for mine off center up top, biased >>> to the non-drive side >>> -fender attach points (no cost option) >>> >>> BL in EC >>> >>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:56:09 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote: >>> >>>> So this is a semi-custom canti-Roadeo and not a full custom? Threaded >>>> or threadless? Can't wait to see it! >>>> >>>> Toshi >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> You are right that there are gatekeepers. In this case, the >>>>> gatekeepers are Grant and Mark A. Grant's main thing is if you buy a >>>>> Roadeo, and they put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo. I asked them >>>>> about the concept in principal back in 2020, and I was only like 60/40 >>>>> that >>>>> they would say yes, but they said OK at that time. This week, I gave >>>>> Mark >>>>> A my full list of details, and Mark A cleared all of them, so I paid for >>>>> it. Now I'll wait and ride the other bikes in the stable... >>>>> >>>>> BL in EC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:12:39 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That sounds really neat Bill. I was always under the impression that >>>>>> a canti-roa may not fly with gate keepers at Riv. But since it is a >>>>>> custom >>>>>> from Riv and you are staying with the Riv design principles then it is >>>>>> go. >>>>>> Can't wait to see it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike SLO CA >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill - sounds like the bottom line is that we basically agree with >>>>>>> each other, though coming at it from slightly different directions. >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> of luck on your new canti-roa build and be sure to let us all know how >>>>>>> things worked out in the end, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> George >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:53:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> George Schick said "I'm not sure I quite agree with the >>>>>>>> "skitishness" of a higher BB" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I didn't use the term "skitishness". I said "nervous" and "agile", >>>>>>>> which I think is equivalent to what you are calling "lively" and >>>>>>>> "responsive". We're talking about the same things. I notice the >>>>>>>> differences, and I like the differences, and I want both bikes in my >>>>>>>> stable. Neither is better. On some rides I will pick my cross bike, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> on other rides I will pick my road bike. The difference between the >>>>>>>> two is >>>>>>>> why a road bike and a cross bike are different bikes, to me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:42:30 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bill - whoa! Now I can see where you're coming from on this >>>>>>>>> build. Lots of different things going on here. And I do understand >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> the difference between BB heights on a typical cross bike and >>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>> like the Roadeo (or the 8cm BB drop on my Ram for that matter). >>>>>>>>> However, >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" of a higher BB. To >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> point, I have the 54cm Ram and I also have an updated/rebuilt '71/'72 >>>>>>>>> Fuji >>>>>>>>> Finest. When I carefully place the two side by side I see that >>>>>>>>> almost >>>>>>>>> everything about the two bike frames is nearly equal *except* the >>>>>>>>> BB height. The Fuji has more like a 5cm BB drop. Now, whenever I >>>>>>>>> ride one >>>>>>>>> of those two bikes, I always find the Fuji to be much more lively and >>>>>>>>> responsive than the Ram - not that I think either is better or worse >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> the other. So... must just be a difference in riding styles or >>>>>>>>> something. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:19:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> George >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it. The major >>>>>>>>>> difference I see between a road bike and a cyclocross bike is BB >>>>>>>>>> height >>>>>>>>>> (aka drop). A cross bike with little drop has a higher BB, is more >>>>>>>>>> "nervous" aka "agile". A road bike with more drop is more "planted" >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> "stable". I own a cyclocross race bike, a Rivendell Legolas, and >>>>>>>>>> had my >>>>>>>>>> normal Roadeo. Both bikes are great road bikes, and I rode both of >>>>>>>>>> them on >>>>>>>>>> brevets in 2021. Since my Roadeo is recently gone, I rode my >>>>>>>>>> Legolas on >>>>>>>>>> two 50 milers this past weekend. The major difference is how much >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> nervous the Legolas feels at speed on the road. I attribute all of >>>>>>>>>> that to >>>>>>>>>> the difference to the BB height, and the Legolas has a lower BB >>>>>>>>>> height than >>>>>>>>>> a lot of cyclocross bikes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In addition to the geo difference, I approach my fit differently >>>>>>>>>> between a cyclocross race bike and a road bike. I run a 57cm >>>>>>>>>> Legolas and a >>>>>>>>>> 59cm Roadeo. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In addition to the above, Grant did a special 'knee' in BB height >>>>>>>>>> on the 59 (his size). It's a few mm even lower. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In addition to all the above, my build approach to a "road bike" >>>>>>>>>> and a "cyclocross race bike" is pretty different. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I concede that any normal person can build an adequate >>>>>>>>>> "cantilever road bike" out of a cyclocross racing frameset. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:34:56 AM UTC-7 George Schick >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bill - none of the above really. I just see the geometry of the >>>>>>>>>>> Roadeo as those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the >>>>>>>>>>> dimensions that cross bikes also have, adding canti's to it makes >>>>>>>>>>> it more >>>>>>>>>>> or less seem like a cross bike. No big deal about it at all, just >>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>> observation. Many years ago I made an inquiry to Waterford about >>>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>> them build a bike that would basically be a modification of one of >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> standard road series frames, but with canti's. I made the mistake >>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>> saying that I wanted it built that way so I could easily add and >>>>>>>>>>> remove >>>>>>>>>>> fenders between Winter and Summer riding seasons. Apparently noses >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> Waterford, WI, flew up at the suggestion because I never go a reply >>>>>>>>>>> one way >>>>>>>>>>> or another. Had such a frame been built, though, it would've been >>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>> the same as what you've ordered from Riv. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Um...OK? What is the purpose of your comment? Are you >>>>>>>>>>>> recommending that I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo >>>>>>>>>>>> and race >>>>>>>>>>>> cross on it? Are you recommending that I cancel my order and buy >>>>>>>>>>>> an off >>>>>>>>>>>> the shelf cyclocross bike instead? Are you opining that a road >>>>>>>>>>>> bike with >>>>>>>>>>>> cantilever brakes ceases to be a road bike? Are you just applying >>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> personal label to my forthcoming bike? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have responses to all of those. What are we discussing? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross >>>>>>>>>>>>> bike. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> desire to own a Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It came up >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a thread about the Legolas, it came up in a thread about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> brevets on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivs. I've made no secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, even Canti-Homers. I'm on record saying >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideal Riv road bike would be a Nobilette build, constructed of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo Geometry, but the clearances of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canti-Hillborne. Putting my money where my mouth is, I'd stated >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>> times that if any of you would buy my existing Roadeo, that I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>> put all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your dollars right back to Riv and order a Canti-Roa. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it finally happened. Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame and fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my own >>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo. Mark Abele and I are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ironing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out the details. I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> queue is at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment, but I'm very excited. 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