Thanks everyone!  I think I understand now:  59+cm Clem's have a 700c rim 
and a frame that can accommodate 29er tires for the extra rubber in the way 
that the 650b can offer more rubber to frames originally intended for 700c, 
i.e. to meet outer diameter limitations. 

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:11 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> My understanding is it's a colloquially 29er was referring to a 2"+ tire 
> that makes the diameter approximately 29" vs a 700c with a 23mm is 
> approximately 27". 
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-6 Jacob Lopez wrote:
>
>> Well, I feel silly.  A little more research could have answered that!  
>> Thanks, folks!  I appreciate that.  Makes sense now, the part where it says 
>> 29er *tires*...
>>
>> ~Jacob
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. 
>>> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be 
>>> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it 
>>> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame 
>>> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot 
>>> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much 
>>> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the 
>>> above applies. 
>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, All.
>>>>
>>>> I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you 
>>>> know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 
>>>> 29ers:
>>>>
>>>> I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er 
>>>> Tires".  Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...?   I may be 
>>>> looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to 
>>>> how 
>>>> 29's perform on this size.  Any experience with that (if, of course I'm 
>>>> reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)?  Does this 
>>>> introduce toe-overlap?
>>>>
>>>> Jacob
>>>> San Diego, CA
>>>>
>>>

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