I really enjoy the Losco handlebars. I've found they've been able to be fit 
on any bike comfortably. Long and high (clem) long and low (romancuer) 
somewhere inbetween (my touring bike) 

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:27:01 AM UTC-6 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> I second what Joe said: Billie bars are my favorite, particularly for the 
> type of riding you describe. The hand position next to the stem is quite 
> far forward on the Billie bar, so it puts my back in a fairly low position, 
> similar to riding in the drops. I use that position for fast cruising, or 
> riding into a headwind.
>
> Another thing you can do is just drop the quill stem in the middle of the 
> ride if you feel like you want a lower position. It takes less than 30 
> seconds, and a couple inches makes a dramatic difference. I regularly 
> change my stem height mid ride.
>
> I tried flipping around the Billie bars so they have negative rise, and 
> that didn't work for me, because I lost the advantages of the hands next to 
> stem position. It also looks less attractive than the positive rise, IMHO.
>
> Finally, you can always have another bike set up with drop bars ;)
>
> -Clark
> On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:43:09 AM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’ve had some Choco bars in the parts bin for a few years. The reason 
>> I’ve yet to mount them is because they sweep back from the flats and offer 
>> nothing in front of the stem. Coming from drops and riding in the hoods, I 
>> like to sometimes have a position out in front of the stem which is what 
>> the Albatross bars give me. Maybe when the Roaduno comes out those Choco 
>> bars will find a home... 
>>
>> Joe in Los Angeles 
>>
>> > On Jun 13, 2022, at 8:55 AM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > I can't help with a bar, but I've used Pauls, DC, Shimano, Mafac, and 
>> > Tektro cantis, and the Paul's do seem to have more power -- perhaps a 
>> > bit more rigid? -- and they are certainly easiest to set up, including 
>> > 15" wrench flats to adjust spring tension, which I find very, very 
>> > desirable. And the principal advantage, for me, is that their pivots 
>> > seemed to have less slop, which reduces judder and squeal caused by 
>> > the flex of very long head and steerer tubes and a headset mounted 
>> > housing stop. My frame has no crown hole, tho' one day I may get 
>> > around to drilling one to mount a stop there. But the judder and 
>> > squeal disappeared, or as much as makes no difference, when I replaced 
>> > Tektros with Pauls; same stops and pads. 
>> > 
>> > Whether all this justifies their price, I'll leave to you. 
>> > 
>> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 6:54 PM John Moore <jo...@chilmarkresearch.com> 
>> wrote: 
>> >> Lasstly, brakes. I'm going canti. Are touring Pauls really that much 
>> better then Dia Compe to justify the price. I like bling, but not excessive 
>> which seems to be the case with Pauls. 
>> >> 
>> >> Anyway, now calling upon the collective intelligence of this grp to 
>> give me a hand. Appreciate any and all replies. 
>> >> 
>> >> - John 
>> > 
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