Nikko has gotta hear more about how I categorize bikes. He said “ i'm happy
to treat a cyclocross bike as a gravel bike any day. “

There’s nothing wrong with treating a cyclocross race bike as a gravel
bike. There’s nothing wrong with using your cyclocross race bike as a
gravel bike or riding it on a gravel ride. Similarly one can take their
cyclocross race bike on a road ride or a brevet or a commute. Those uses
don’t change the fact that the Rivendell Legolas is a cyclocross race bike.
That’s all.

Gravel Bike means a broad spectrum of things in 2022.  For me the main
differences between a gravel bike and a cyclocross race bike are the gravel
bike has a lower BB, wider tire clearance, a longer front center, and a
slacker STA (in my book). A cyclocross race bike is also set up to be
carried in cyclocross races.

Bill Lindsay
Somewhere near the border of Germany and the Netherlands.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 10:42 PM Nikko in Oakland <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Bill (via Toshi)
> Off topic, but I gotta hear more about this delineation between a racing
> cyclocross bike and an aggressive gravel bike. I have my own thoughts on
> the same topic, but i'm happy to treat a cyclocross bike as a gravel bike
> any day.
>
> On topic, I was dithering pretty heavily on whether or not my Legolas was
> going to be my brevet bike or not, and decided against it for some of the
> same reasons Bill mentioned. A bit too responsive (great for short rides
> and hard corners), and it's set up slightly more aggressive than my past
> rando bikes. I was initially hunting down a 60cm Rambouillet for brevets
> and commuting, but ended up stumbling upon a good deal on a Boulder Brevet
> that is literally the perfect bike for me.
>
> My two cents... Ram, AHH, Sam, Roadini, Roadeo are your better bets for
> rando, from best to least best (mostly because of luggage options and the
> such). At Del Puerto 200km 2021, I did see someone on a really sick ruby or
> red Atlantis.
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 4:08:10 PM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> Just 1 bit of advice for the weight in a front bag & saddle bag for a
>> Rivendell, I remember from a Grant P blog
>>
>> Put the heavy items, tools, tubes, extra clothes, extra food, in the
>> saddlebag .    Put LIGHT items in the front bag, food until the next
>> control *and* items you will want to get while moving *or* not
>> dismounting.
>>
>> Since the Riv models have higher wheel flop (due to higher trail),
>> keeping the load light upfront minimizes the effects of high wheel flop.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 4:52:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for opinions/thoughts on the best Riv for Brevets, 200-400K
>>> rides. Looking for current models as well as older models. Thanks
>>
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