Bicycle tires are basically circles in cross section, as the tire gets 
wider it also gets taller. The width of the rim will impact the width to a 
certain degree, but not the height. Modern car tires a more like rectangles 
where the width and height are independent of one another.

Laing

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 12:51:28 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I went back and measured the height of my tires, and discovered that 
> indeed, the tires were 8mm taller on the Roadini than on my touring bike. 
> It's very strange, since these were nominally 700x28 or 700x30mm tires, but 
> measured only 27mm wide on the rims. I guess all the extra material on 
> "wider" tires went into raising the height of the tire (which is 
> undesirable) as opposed to increasing the width of the tire (which was what 
> I expected). Does this continue as you increase tire size? For instance, if 
> I got a 700x38mm tire, would I expect to it to end up being only 30mm wide, 
> but end up adding another 1cm to the height of the bike?
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:18:29 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> Without arguing against BB drop affecting handling and the perception of 
>> handling, I can’t see how stack can make a bike feel or ride “tall,” IF the 
>> bars are level with the saddle. I think the shorter reach makes you sit up, 
>> raising your head and giving you a narrower base (ass to grips) which I 
>> think might degrade balance on the bike. I’m much less “in” the bike on a 
>> smaller bike, even with the saddle and grips up. Jim Bronson also says his 
>> “tall” bike gives him a much more upright posture.
>>
>> The reason I think reach drives the “tall” feeling more than stack: In 
>> my mind’s eye I can put my hands on the bars, and the bike can grow or 
>> shrink vertically and the stem and seatpost can make up the difference. My 
>> position on the bike stays the same. If, however, I shrink the top tube, 
>> my hands move back towards my hips and my head and CG move up. 
>>
>> I like to measure my bikes saddle-center to grip-center, rather than 
>> saddle-tip to steerer-center.
>>
>> Philip
>> Sonoma County, Calif
>>
>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 5:47:59 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> I don't think a rider can meaningfully feel a 5mm difference in BB 
>>>> drop.  I think what you are feeling is likely Stack related.  A 54cm 
>>>> Roadini is a bigger bike than a 56cm RB1.  Is your stem slammed?  Slam 
>>>> that 
>>>> stem! :)
>>>> If you want to split the difference, ride your Roadini for now, and get 
>>>> a deposit in on a Nobilette Roadeo.  Sell the Roadini when it arrives, and 
>>>> off you go.  I'm not sure if you'd prefer a 57 Roadeo, or maybe a 55?  
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> I went and measured the stack and reach on both bikes. Turns out my 
>>> touring bike actually has a higher stack (71.8cm measured from BB to 
>>> handlebar hood) and reach (45cm measured from BB to handlebar stem center), 
>>> while the Roadini had 68.58cm and 41.91cm on both of those measurements. 
>>> What is significant is that the BB height on the touring bike is 10.5" 
>>> while the BB height on the Roadini is 11", which is a 1.3cm difference. I 
>>> guess I can definitely feel a 13mm difference in center of gravity shift, 
>>> 5mm of which is accounted for by the BB drop difference, and then other 8mm 
>>> is accounted for by the bigger tires (which is strange since the difference 
>>> between tires is basically going from 25mm to 30mm tires, but 3mm 
>>> difference might be within the margin of error)
>>>
>>

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