I gotta admit that it was an impressive shot!

Sunrise/sunset are definitely dangerous times to be on the road. I used to ride with a very experienced cyclist here and he used to organize Bike Friday rides since he owned a few. He always wanted to do the Pacific Coast tour and finally got a chance once he retired. He was hit and killed by a driver in Oregon while on that tour.  The driver claimed that the sun was in his eyes and he basically didn’t see the bicyclist. Common sense would be to pull over if you can’t see but that never happens.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA 

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On Oct 10, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Doug H. <dhansford1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Robert,
This is a serious topic but the loogie story made my chuckle. I have to say that was a good shot by the kid!! Loogie launching must be practiced so that wasn't his first shot.

I've had a few close calls but thankfully no hits as of yet. One thing I try to avoid is riding directly into a sunset as it blinds me and drivers as well. A local lady was killed a few years ago (RIP Karen Tinsely) and a contributing factor was the sun in the driver's eyes. In that case I don't think there was any bad intention although still inexcusable. If I'm on a road heading towards a sunset I try to find an alternate route. Be safe fellow cyclists!
Doug
Athens, Ga

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:18:24 PM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:
I’ve been riding “seriously” since I was 18 and I’m turning 56 this month. It’s surprising how few issues I can come up with when thinking back.  99% of the people here do a pretty good job sharing the road with cyclists and we have a decent bike infrastructure. People are used to bikes on the road. Typically people are too accommodating and want to give me the right of way when it isn’t mine. 

I got hit once. I was descending a decently steep road and there was a driveway with a car coming out of a Burger King parking lot. I watched the driver look left up the hill, then right, then left again and as soon as I neared the driveway he pulled out. So I hit the front fender doing about 30 mph and flew over the hood. I was surprisingly in ok shape. Nothing broken but I had some bruising, some road rash and twisted ankles due to my Time pedals not releasing. 

I was climbing one of the steeper roads here and some kids drove by and one hocked a loogie at me. It hit me square in the back and I wasn’t wearing a shirt at the time. They are likely still high-fiving each other over that one.

I was commuting to work on what is basically a highway. It is the old I15 that runs next to Miramar air base. There is an exit onto a highway from that road and I almost got nailed by a driver that tried to sneak over at the last minute. I caught him in my rear view mirror after I heard tires skidding. My instinct would have been to move to the side but I saw him moving that way so I swerved to the traffic side and avoided being hit.

Another rear view mirror save. I caught a motor home approaching and saw in my mirror that his steps were still down and coming right at me. I moved over and avoided getting clipped by them and pointed out to the driver they were not retracted.

I can’t recall any deliberately aggressive assaults. I do have a lot of stupid moves done around me but I know what to look for and am always able to predict what drivers will do. I confront a lot of people but it’s almost never worthwhile. Cell phone usage/distracted driving is becoming more of an issue and that is something I watch out for. Almost nobody stops for stop signs anymore either and red light are not always obeyed these days.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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On Oct 9, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Eric Marth <eric...@gmail.com> wrote:

First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, vent or commiserate. 

Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a motorist you'd like to share? 

I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and the like. 

In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 

Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about to pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn. 

Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think I'm alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression from drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist. 

The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my back wheel. When I  made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they followed. I could hear them revving their engine behind me and feathering the gas to get close to my back wheel but not quite hit me. I continued to ride in the middle of the road. 

I heard something hit the street next to me. It was an unopened aluminum can of a carbonated beverage (I didn't go back to check out whether it was soda, beer or seltzer). Acknowledging the projectile I decided I had to bail and get up on the sidewalk or somehow turn around to where the car could not get to me. 

As soon as I moved to the side to take a driveway apron up onto the sidewalk the car passed me, then got right in front of me and slammed on their brakes. I braked hard and managed not to do an endo onto their trunk or hit their vehicle. The straddle cable hanger came loose from the front brake cable. The driver sped off. I did not get their plates. 

A few days later I went around the neighborhood and knocked on every door with a doorbell camera that was along the path of my interaction with the driver. Everyone I asked checked their footage but only one came back with anything showing me or the driver. There was a clip of the driver revving their engine behind me and throwing the can. You can see the can fly through the air and hear it land in the street. I got a good profile shot of the car (2005 Acura TL, maroon with custom window trim), but no view of the tags. 

This is, by far, the worst interaction I've had with a motorist. I've only been riding for a few years. There are others that aren't nearly as bad but still register as scary and unnecessary. They most often occur when a vehicle is passing. I find that a lot if not all of the hairy situations I've experienced with motorists would not have occurred if the drivers had demonstrated just 5 to 10 seconds of patience. 

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