The only conclusion (?) I can get from this tire discussion on Susie / Gus & possibly Clems is - get a duplicate set of wheels. One for pavement / gravel, and a dedicated set for MTB with proper knobbies. Anything less seems a compromise?
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2022, at 12:14 PM, Brian Turner <brokeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I’m running the Ehline 27.5 x 2.5 on my Gus currently. I had them on a > previous bike that was a dedicated trail bike, and I liked them for that > purpose a lot, so I knew what to expect. So far, I’m riding my Gus 50/50 > dirt/pavement and I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised at how well they > roll on paved surfaces. Pretty quiet, too. I doubt I’m going to be doing any > long paved rides, but for knocking around town and shorter paved trips 30 mi > or less, they are quite enjoyable. > > All this said, if Jan H. decided to make a tire slightly bigger than the > Umtanum or Fleecer Ridge in the 2.5” / 2.6” range, I would buy them in an > instant. Those RH knobbies perform equally well and roll fast and quiet on > all surfaces in my opinion and experience. > >>> On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Ryan Frahm <frah...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> I’ll chime in on the Teravail Ehline vs the Ranger. Granted, I ran a 3” >> Ranger tough vs the Light 2.5 Ehline, but the Ranger was extremely slow in >> comparison. I haven’t tried the Vittoria, but I’ve heard they are great >> tires. That being said, when I need new tires they will likely be Rene Herse >> Fleecer Ridge endurance casing. They are fantastic all around tires, worth >> the extra $ in my experience. >> >>> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:26:16 PM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> If we’re talking tires, take a look at the Kenda Booster Pro. It comes >>> in 29x 2.6 and 27.5x2.8 and both in 120 TPI with standard casing and a more >>> puncture resistant casing, both tubeless ready. I have the 29x2.2 >>> version and they are a surprisingly fast and not buzzy on pavement and very >>> very grippy tire on gravel and single track. I have them in the standard >>> casing and they feel really solid and don’t squirm with running lower >>> pressure. >>> >>> A quick look at the tech specs and the claimed weights are very light for a >>> 29x2.6 tire( 681 +/-34 g for the standard casing and 763 +/- 38g for the >>> more puncture resistant casing. Again, I only have the 29x2.2 tires so >>> can’t speak of real world experience of the 29x 2.6 or 27.5x2.8 but if the >>> characteristics carry over, it is a wonderfully fast and grippy tire >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Oct 29, 2022, at 7:50 PM, Luke Hendrickson <phendr...@paulpath.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> I appreciate it. ❤️ >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:45:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Luke, >>>>> >>>>> I'm so sorry for your loss. What a nice story behind your Atlantis. The >>>>> build is great but the story behind it makes it extra special. Thanks for >>>>> sharing it with us! >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 7:16 PM Luke Hendrickson >>>>>> <phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote: >>>>>> I appreciate the input on the sorta terrain you’re on with them. Since >>>>>> my Riv is my do-it-all, I spend time on fire roads, single track, paved, >>>>>> and everything in between. The Maxxis tires currently on the bike are >>>>>> tough wearing and durable. Supple is sorta down the list in desired >>>>>> qualities (although some Ultradynamico tires may be in my near future). >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks again, Paul. >>>>>> >>>>>> —Luke >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:02:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote: >>>>>>> The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only >>>>>>> come in the DD Raceguard compound, which I don't think is the supplest. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They're just really fat and a little hard to push on pavement. But they >>>>>>> are a lot of fun on the single track, and until I get them into some >>>>>>> real mud, I think they're all I need. Basically, they ride like a >>>>>>> really good touring tire, I think. Plenty comfortable, plenty capable, >>>>>>> plenty durable, but not especially supple or fast. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course, the air pressure can really impact how supple they feel, and >>>>>>> to a degree, change how boggy they feel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd really like a 2.5" or 2.6" tire with a similar tread and a suppler >>>>>>> casing. The Scwalbe Big Ones were a chubby 60mm and they were my >>>>>>> favorite for a long time. They weren't quite enough on single track, >>>>>>> and the skinnier G Ones - 57mm - probably won't be either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I really think these fat G-Ones do so well on the single track because >>>>>>> of their chub, not the tread. And I'm going to keep them on at least >>>>>>> long enough for me to ride them in the deep sand at the beach this >>>>>>> winter. I have a feeling they'll do even better than the Big Ones there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 right now, I'd give that a try. >>>>>>> I hear good things about the Teravail Ehline in 27.5 x 2.5, but it has >>>>>>> a more aggressive tread than I want for riding on pavement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So for an all around bike that sees 50% single track and 50% pavement, >>>>>>> I think these are about as good as it gets. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:14:06 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Paul – great info and analysis. How’re you liking the Schwalbes? I’m >>>>>>>> tempted by them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>>>>>> Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from >>>>>>>>> another Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the >>>>>>>>> older 26" version) for a bunch of years! Sold it about a year ago >>>>>>>>> and replaced it with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was >>>>>>>>> more my style, but still capable of riding black / double black >>>>>>>>> trails. I absolutely love the way a hardtail climbs, and rides in >>>>>>>>> general - I do find I get fatigued quicker on it vs. the full >>>>>>>>> suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good things - I can still >>>>>>>>> ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm tasked with a little >>>>>>>>> more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk, which is >>>>>>>>> healthy. I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up a Stooge mk6 >>>>>>>>> when they come out next year to replace the Japhy, and put myself >>>>>>>>> back in the realm of fully rigid steel bikes across the board. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the >>>>>>>>>> last to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long >>>>>>>>>> stem and backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way >>>>>>>>>> it makes the bike feel / handle are pretty much my only reason for >>>>>>>>>> considering a Susie. I know it goes against everything that says >>>>>>>>>> “mountain bike” but I am looking to get away from straight bars. >>>>>>>>>> Just today I swapped out a 12 degree backsweep bar for a 35 degree >>>>>>>>>> one. Feels better but does not feel as good as the Clem. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Mike Packard <mrg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm also enjoying this thread. One thing I've wondered about WRT >>>>>>>>>>> Susie-Gus vs. Clem: Is the reach / effective top tube shorter on >>>>>>>>>>> Susie/Gus than Clem of similar size? I have a 59 Clem L that is >>>>>>>>>>> great but even with a very short stem flat-ish bars are too far >>>>>>>>>>> away. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> mike >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:49 AM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>> rmro...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> updates about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain >>>>>>>>>>>>> bike? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between >>>>>>>>>>>>> a Susie and a Clem L? >>>>>>>>>>>>> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most >>>>>>>>>>>>> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my >>>>>>>>>>>>> position on the bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated >>>>>>>>>>>>> singletrack bike - a full suspension bike with relatively strait >>>>>>>>>>>>> handlebars. The Clem is really good off road and on mild >>>>>>>>>>>>> singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept me from >>>>>>>>>>>>> giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks >>>>>>>>>>>>> I like to ride on the full squish bike. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and >>>>>>>>>>>>> capable on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some >>>>>>>>>>>>> experience riding a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I >>>>>>>>>>>>> liked it. The notion of a bike that puts me in the exact same >>>>>>>>>>>>> position as my Clem but dedicated to singletrack has me more than >>>>>>>>>>>>> a little intrigued. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Appreciate any comments / thoughts. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b917f76e-7f77-481b-b719-e63b4db2bc49n%40googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e970c1cb-1ceb-473c-9430-613b2477f1d4n%40googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fe4d1744-4405-4d37-92d3-d9429f06bdc9n%40googlegroups.com. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/27898d30-0678-4d08-9d15-d942a3a61aa2n%40googlegroups.com. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3713502C-51E2-4B31-90AC-E28FE160E28D%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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