I love my Appaloosa and all but the all-caps throttle of WHAT OEN SOLD FOR 
ON EBAY is too much. All this copy and no build list? 

Matthew, should have said so sooner, but I'm sorry you received a bike in 
this state and for the agony, annoyance and trauma of having to sort it all 
out. 
On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:08:31 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Tags: Rumpled, crumpled, dimpled, cracked, caked, bent, indented, 
> inverted, squiggly, wiggly, touched-up, touch up, mustard, steel is real, 
> steel is really bent, accident, tire marks, bent, bends, bendy. 
>
> It's interesting how the original ad copy raised a flag for several 
> readers here (myself included) before we knew where this was headed. Thanks 
> Matthew for sharing images of the bike in its mangled state. 
>
> That identifying blemish near the crown of the left fork is the clincher, 
> as if there were any doubt. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:28:56 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>>
>> Agreed.
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:43:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> All that purple prose to flip a bike he must have gotten on the cheap, 
>>> and we got a lecture about how one on Ebay went for $4k so this was a deal! 
>>> So uncool. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:41 PM UTC-8 freem...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who 
>>>> is looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.
>>>>
>>>> The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 
>>>>
>>>> Here's how it went:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?
>>>>
>>>> **he replies immediately**
>>>>
>>>> *Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted 
>>>> you to ask that?
>>>>
>>>> *Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
>>>> opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
>>>> for the price you're asking.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the 
>>>> following two messages.*
>>>>
>>>> *Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx
>>>>
>>>> *Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally 
>>>> appropriate and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to 
>>>> talk about it in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the 
>>>> listing. It’s hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious 
>>>> what someone posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they 
>>>> said 
>>>> is. Is there any way you can forward me the significant part of that 
>>>> thread? I’d really appreciate it. Thx John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
>>>> interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
>>>> read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>>>>>
>>>>> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and 
>>>>> scratches but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay 
>>>>> was bent, but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back 
>>>>> and fixed it."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>>>>>
>>>>> Well that's one way to put it! 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
>>>>>> tried to capture the bent ends.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned 
>>>>>> it. I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>>>>>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>>>>>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
>>>>>> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
>>>>>> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: 
>>>>>> rear_full_3607.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL 
>>>>>> ad. Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 00000_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  
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