I just saw a lovely Tumbleweed Prospector on Tumbleweed’s IG set up as a fatbike with 26x4 On Dec 15, 2022, at 13:39, Brian Turner <brokeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Speaking of Riv-esque? How about the Tanglefoot Bull Thistle? Pricey and extravagant for sure, but it sure is lovely. It's made by my buddy Alex Meade, too.
There's also the updated Crust Scapegoat/bot which takes up to 26x4" through 29x3"On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:23:20 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
I forgot the Blackborow was redesigned as a cargo long tail... I was never in the market for such a thing but did initially have a slight interest in the v1 Blackborow with the dinglespeed build: https://www.salsacycles.com/bikes/2015_blackborow_dsHere's a TI fat bike from Bearclaw with 463 chainstays, over 1000 wheelbase across all sizes and 1177 WB/66cm toptube at my XL size which rivals the 66 or 67cm TT of my Clem H, though angles of 73/70.5 definitely differ than 72.5/72.5 of my Clem. No experience with fat bikes or Bearclaw in general but recall coming across some other Bearclaw models online and that they had a fat-fat tired model. https://bearclawbicycleco.com/frank-titanium-fat-bike/On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 3:53:02 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:
Joe - Have you taken a look at fat tire cargo bikes like the Surly Big Fat Dummy? Or the Salsa Blackborow? I don't have experience with either, but maybe they could be options to fit your use case?
S
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 11:21:16 AM UTC-8 Joe D. wrote:
Hello Rivendell aficionados! The short version: I’d like some advice on picking a fat bike (4-5” wide tires) that shares similar ride characteristics with the current crop of Rivendell long chainstay-long wheelbase bikes (e.g. Clem, Atlantis, Platy, Gus/Susie).
The long version: I’m in the market for a full-on fat bike, with true 4-5 inch wide tires. I live in Montana and my previous winter riding with studded 3 inch tires just wasn’t enough. We’re a one car family, so in addition to riding on winter trails or snowy forest service roads for fun, I’ll use the bike for groceries and errands as well. And as much as I’d love an Atlantis or Platy for dirt roads, bike camping, and light trail use, the more economical choice would be to get a set of 29 inch wheels for a fat bike and run 2.8 or 3 inch tires in non-snow season for an all year off-road bike. Hence the importance of making a good choice now.
How I came to desire a Rivendell-esq fat bike: A friend in another state got a 2019 Clem and raves about the comfy, stable ride with the long chain stays/wheelbase. But the real kicker was when I got a Yuba Mundo Lux cargo bike (https://yubabikes.com/cargobikestore/yuba-mundo-lux/) for hauling my two kids around. The swept back bars get me sitting upright, and the crazy long chainstay (753mm) and wheelbase (1410) make 150lb loads totally manageable. It’s like a Cadillac. Since the Yuba, I’ve vowed that all my bikes will be long and upright. Fortunately upright stems and swept back bars can take care of the upright part for near any bike, so that leaves chainstay/wheelbase length as the big question for a fat bike.
For reference, scroll down here (https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5d1ae74763bde8001707cf36,5e1faf637f17da00170c6e28,) and you can see the chainstay/wheelbase lengths on the Clem and Atlantis, both ~550mm for chainstays and ~1235mm for wheelbase. For fat bikes, consider these two models (https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5ff009522655ff0017c6e96a,61c0a2add559210021256cf2,). The Wyatt can actually have a longer wheelbase than the Rivendells with its sliding dropouts (1250 max wheelbase). But its chainstay is only 465, still long-ish for mountain bikes but not near what a Riv or cargo bike is. It achieves that with a slack head tube angle that pushes the front tire way out front.
Alternatively, the Giant fat bike in the link has a similar max chainstay length as the Wyatt (460mm) but a shorter wheelbase (1170mm), leading to a more centered position on the bike. I’m unable to find any fat bikes with the combination of long chainstay/wheelbase that the Rivendell’s have.
Any tips on which bike, and which geometry approach in general, would get me closest to the Rivendell/cargo bike-like comfort and ride quality? Other fat bikes? For simplicities sake, I guess don’t evaluate factors other than geometry, like frame material. For what it’s worth, there are very few chromoly fat bikes.
(Sorry for the length! I appreciate anyone getting into such a bike-nerdy discussion)
- Joe
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