Bob: Do you know how low a Q you can get on the Prospector, Scapegoat,
Chimera and Bull Thistle, particularly with a single speed drivetrain (if
any accept a ss drivetrain)? I've stayed away from Pugsleys etc because of
the Q but if one can be built as a ss with a Q of no more than 160 I'd be
very interested for our local sandy trails. As it is, I've been thinking of
a 29er+ replacement for my Monocog 29er on which the rear 71 mm WTB ranger
rubs the stays in corners but fat would be even better if the Q could be
sorted.

Thanks.



On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 6:12 PM Bob <rcook.i...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> The final iteration of Surly's Pugsley had 460 mm chainstays and accepted
> 4.8 in. tires "with drivetrain restrictions." It also had a 72° seat tube
> angle, which would feel a little more relaxed and Rivish than the steeper
> angles on MTBs these days.
>
> The Tumbleweed Prospector and the Crust Scapegoat max out at 4.0 in.
> tires, I think, but have 73 mm bottom brackets for a more comfortable Q
> factor. (I ride a Pugsley, and have a limited tolerance for the 200 mm Q
> factor.)
>
> If you go custom, Myth Cycles in Durango CO has the Chimera (
> https://mythcycles.com/bikes/chimera/). The listed geometry is shorter in
> chainstay and wheelbase than you want, evidently the design allows a
> narrower Q than usual for a fatbike while also accommodating 4.8 in. tires.
>
> That Tanglefoot Bull Thistle, though… wow. They present it as a
> drop-bar-specific design, but the top tube and reach are long enough to
> work with an upright bar, I think. Limited to 4.0 in. tires, but the bottom
> bracket is 83 mm so the Q factor will be narrower than most fatbikes. The
> angles (ST 71°, HT 69.5°) rather Riv-like, and the lugs—the LUGS!
>
> I'm curious to see how your quest plays out.
>
> --
> Bob
>

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