Hello Peter, 

Have you checked on the 650b group? https://groups.google.com/g/650b

Steve, 

Super nice build. Plus 1 on using the VO/Roadrunner rando bag, I mount mine 
to the rack like you did. Just the right size for me, not too big, not too 
small.

John

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 11:19:16 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> I can't speak specifically to 700c to 650b conversion on a Riv, but I have 
> done the switch with a Sampson Silverton racing bike that I've been riding 
> since the late 1990s.  . 
>
> Fork clearance with 700c wheels limited the rubber to 28mm. With 650b 
> Velocity Dyad rims (21 ID, as I recall) I am running RH 38mm Loup Loups 
>  with 50mm fenders. Brakes were traded out for Tektro 559s. It works!  As a 
> reference, the bike has 43cm chain stays and estimated 73 degree ST and HT 
> angles. I've not measured fork offset (I should do that sometime!) but can 
> share that it was built by a local bike shop mechanic who was just getting 
> into frame building to give me a bit more trail than the original one. 
>
> How about the ride?  The diameter of the 650b x 38 tires are just 18mm 
> less than the 700 x 28s,  Though that reduces the trail a bit  my immediate 
> impression was that it's all about the fatter tires, and after logging a 
> few hundred miles on the bike that's still my impression. I've been running 
> the RHs around 40-42 psi, so they're really cush, which I think totally 
> outweighs any reduced trail effect. Recently I  added a front rack which 
> settled the front end down even more. The ride is smooooth (or, dare I say, 
> "supple"). I do ride it a bit slower than I did with the 700c wheel set but 
> do have to say it increased the fun factor for a bike that after 20 some 
> years I almost parted ways with.  
>
> [image: Sampson.jpg] 
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:47:26 PM UTC-4 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
>> FWIW,
>>
>> Mine is a Joe Starck ‘99 (maybe the earlier Waterfords are different), 
>> but it fits a true 32mm with Campy dual pivots…
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 10:58 AM 'Peter Bridge' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anybody on the list 650'ed one of the old Rivendell Road frames, the 
>>> ones that take short brakes and that max out at 28c tires?  What was the 
>>> outcome?  
>>>
>>> ~pb
>>>
>>

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