I guess I should have made a disclaimer I am not looking for tips on fit or 
technique. As Patrick mentioned I am just actually generally interested in 
your physical adaptation of physical technique with evolving bicycle 
geometry. 

I love the clementine. It's the best climbing bike ive owned, and the fore 
- aft gives a lot of position variety. I am not going to gain any KOM's but 
I love the stability and traction for steep and loose climbing vs normal 
geometry. 

with my sized up clem jr i do find more ability to stand, but dont feel 
strongly it's necessarily better for climbing, but its kind of comparing 
oranges and grapefruits. 

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 2:48:46 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Mackenzy — I find it uncomfortable to pedal out of the saddle for more 
> than a few strokes with my hands in the primary grip position on swept back 
> bars. With a grip in the 'hooks' of the bars on Albatross, Billie or Ron's 
> Ortho bars it's no problem for me. I've installed Boscos on a bike I built 
> up for a friend and found that the secondary or hooks position ahead of the 
> levers was not very good for climbing or spirited riding. 
>
> I would think given the height of your bars, the tilt of your bars making 
> the grip almost parallel with the ground and the general shape of Boscos 
> that climbing out of the saddle would be uncomfortable and a little 
> unnatural. 
>
> I see you have your stem pretty low, do you wish for lower bars? If so you 
> might consider the Losco or the Billie, they're both plenty wide with lots 
> of sweep back but much less rise. 
> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:08:56 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Hey Damon - It's a Nitto UI-12 quill stem. This is a welded cromo, -19 
>> deg, 31.8 clamp, removeable faceplate stem. Not quite as nice and 
>> definitely not as tall as the brazed Nitto faceplate stems (CR60-3F) that 
>> Riv stocks, but my fit didn't need the extra height and I liked the look 
>> and reach of a horizontal stem extension.
>>
>> I've attached a closeup photo of the stem and bars (taken during the 
>> build, before the shifters were cabled). Note the stem height is just about 
>> max'd where I have it and many will want something with more rise.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 12:21:48 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I have not felt comfortable standing on the pedals in many years. I sit 
>>> and spin regardless of the type of bike. On a single speed, I will dismount 
>>> and walk when the slope is too steep - not often the case in Florida.
>>>
>>> I seem to remember a top cyclist from years ago advocating for sitting 
>>> and spinning, but I cannot remember who it was.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>

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