Patrick, I’ve never worn anything more comfortable than Kucharik wool 
shorts. I had my time with synthetic skin tight shorts and bib shorts but 
without high pads and while ok the Kucharik were still the most 
comfortable. 

On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:59:02 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I was just perusing the new Riv email update and saw Andiamos.
>
> I gave up nastily clinging lycra shorts with nasty, bulky pillow pads over 
> 20 years ago, but when I ride over 30 miles I do sometimes like to wear 
> something a bit more bunch, crease, and chafe resistant than my usual 
> oversized nylon boxers under street shorts or Rapha Randonee shorts.
>
> I've hoarded about 3 pairs of nice Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois 
> or -- for one pair -- a synthetic that is also minimalist. 
>
> But I'd rather have something synthetic for ease of laundering and an 
> undergarment that can be worn under any decent pair of shorts, as long as 
> it serves as well the basic purpose of bike shorts: prevent bunching and 
> chafing. Again, I'm not interested in padding; I chose the right saddle and 
> I have it and bar positioned properly.
>
> So, those of you with relevant experience, will Andiamos be as comfortable 
> under Rapha touring shorts as wool Kuchariks with chamois?
>
> -- 
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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