Patrick, I should have mentioned that I’ve used Andiamos padded liners for 
years. I liked the old ones better but the new ones are cheap and the 
company gives good deals, or car least they did with some free liners when 
you reach a certain amount purchased. They do run large, I take a small in 
them. I should be a medium so you can base it on that. The pad itself is 
minimal at best. Good luck. 

On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 10:02:59 AM UTC-4 J S wrote:

> Patrick, I’ve never worn anything more comfortable than Kucharik wool 
> shorts. I had my time with synthetic skin tight shorts and bib shorts but 
> without high pads and while ok the Kucharik were still the most 
> comfortable. 
>
> On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:59:02 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I was just perusing the new Riv email update and saw Andiamos.
>>
>> I gave up nastily clinging lycra shorts with nasty, bulky pillow pads 
>> over 20 years ago, but when I ride over 30 miles I do sometimes like to 
>> wear something a bit more bunch, crease, and chafe resistant than my usual 
>> oversized nylon boxers under street shorts or Rapha Randonee shorts.
>>
>> I've hoarded about 3 pairs of nice Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois 
>> or -- for one pair -- a synthetic that is also minimalist. 
>>
>> But I'd rather have something synthetic for ease of laundering and an 
>> undergarment that can be worn under any decent pair of shorts, as long as 
>> it serves as well the basic purpose of bike shorts: prevent bunching and 
>> chafing. Again, I'm not interested in padding; I chose the right saddle and 
>> I have it and bar positioned properly.
>>
>> So, those of you with relevant experience, will Andiamos be as 
>> comfortable under Rapha touring shorts as wool Kuchariks with chamois?
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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