John,

Over the years I have found this forum to be extremely helpful. The willingness of members to answer elementary questions from someone just entering the bike world has been invaluable. I’ve always been appreciative, and I have made it a point to say so.

But here on our forum, there also exists an undercurrent of condescension. Every now and again, seemingly out of the blue, someone will pitch a mean comment and change the conversation. It’s happened to me several times, and I’ll never get used to it. 
We can have 75 helpful posts offering experience and well thought-out opinions and then suddenly one person chimes in with a question that sounds very much like sarcasm. It’s part of the culture of this forum, and it’s unfortunate.

John #1’s question could have been genuine, but if so it was poorly phrased, so I doubt it. 

John #2’s (yours) was out of line and can only be received as rude. I’ve lived long enough that when I hear “calm down” I know it’s usually a man saying it to a woman. If you doubt me, ask yourself if you’d have said these same words to Bill Lindsay. 

To the rest of you, thank you! I have had so much to think about, thanks to your excellent points and stories about your own experiences on college campuses. 

And that is all I have to say on the matter.
Leah

On Aug 15, 2023, at 1:57 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <[email protected]> wrote:


Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.

John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the strength of his desire for a bike at college could correlate to the amount of attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.

You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you don't like.

John
On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
John,
Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.

1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for him that you would like to gift him?

2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused about the topic of the conversation?

3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was imposing my choices on my son?

If #1, no thank you, we have 2 good Clems to choose from.

If #2, I would direct you to the beginning of the thread. Freshman don’t have cars at the campus we’re looking at, and one needs alternate transportation.

If #3, I’ll not dignify your question with any answer. 

Leah

On Aug 14, 2023, at 9:52 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch <[email protected]> wrote:

Leah

I might I missed it, but does your son want a bike at college????

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:


Wow, since the boys were in elementary school, Ryan, that’s a long time! But yes, I started out in late 2012 with a Betty and was pulling the younger one on his “one-wheeler.” 

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