I use my old Litespeed MTN Bike. A demi-porteur rack supports a large 
Fabio's Chest, I load it up, often fully extended. A small Sackville saddle 
sack in the rear holding my lock and maybe some light items. Works okay, 
the bike handles the weight fine. I've also used my Suzie, the rear rack 
supports a large Wald Rack, and some cheap panniers, I'm going to mount the 
chest on the front and see how it works. I was kicking myself for selling 
my old medium Saddlesack, but the chest is a good replacement.
I've seen people do the bags tied to the handlebars, seemed sketchy, but 
I'm old and have enough trouble staying upright. 

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 9:45:57 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've strapped saddlebags directly to the frame rails of my Flites. Here, 
> with Barley, but I've also used the gofast with a medium Sackville to carry 
> 30lb+ grocery loads. With the Saddlesack I use a Nitto wire guard to keep 
> the bag off the stays.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 10:37 AM Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I've used baskets front and rear, saddlebags of various sizes and makes, 
>> and panniers on racks, and I always end up back with good panniers on a 
>> stout racks, either Tubus or custom. IME, stiff racks allow you to carry 
>> heavyish loads even on bikes with flexible frames -- I like my errand bikes 
>> to ride nicely unloaded; although I've used beaters my last few have been 
>> customs or nice Rivendell stock road models. My current Chauncey Matthews 
>> errand road bike is made of light, standard gauge tubing with custom front 
>> and rear racks and I've carried up to 50 lbs for short (<20 miles) 
>> distances without undue wobble. Sure, an Atlantis would be better for heavy 
>> loads but I would not find it as pleasant to ride unladen. (Funny, my best 
>> *rear* load carrier of all time was a very lightweight 531 1973 
>> Motobecane with 11 oz Tubus Fly rack.
>>
>> I've used various panniers but now favor Ortlieb backrollers, though I 
>> have to admit that the best grocery panniers of all time were made from 10 
>> gallon kitchen trash cans bought on sale at Target for $5 and strapped to a 
>> Tubus Fly using dowels.
>>
>> I'd be very wary of riding too far with loads slung from your handlebar 
>> as (1) the inertia makes steering far more ponderous and (2) the swinging 
>> actively throws steering off. I do confess to using this method myself 
>> occasionally after impromptu stops at the store while riding my gofast bike 
>> and the items won't fit in the musette I keep folded up in my seat pack, 
>> but then it's only 1/4 mile home.
>>
>> 46 lb load pictured, but I've carried 50 lb on this bike.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 7:28 PM st nick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this probably has been discussed before.
>>>
>>> If you use your bike for such errands what is your method of 
>>> transporting groceries or other items?
>>>
>>> I have one bike with a rack and a large Wald basket that can handle a 
>>> couple bags of groceries but sometimes as I rotate through my bikes I use 
>>> the method pictured below of tying cloth sacks around the handlebar 
>>> balancing the load.
>>>
>>> I think this can be a risky method.
>>>
>>> I need to find some decent grocery panniers.
>>>
>>> Today I weighed these 2 sacks in bathroom scales.
>>>
>>> Dang...36.2 pounds. Glad it was only 2 miles return trip .
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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