No retention at all for me for that last 20 some years. Since my feet are positioned more midfoot and the pedals have good pins to grip Altra Lone Peaks(w/150mm cranks), I have no need for anything else. I have no pins on the other side and the even then my feet stay in place from feel. .Since moving my saddle all the way forward I find my pedaling has become even more effective/efficient. Torque + pedal speed = vroom sensation = FUN ! I think I'm going to get a zero setback post to try as I'm close to the limit on the Cobb saddle with a Ritchey 25mm setback post. As the foot is placed more midfoot, I feel much more "planted" to the cranks from my trunk/core. Now that I'm going more forward of the BB, I find an aero position more comfortable, and now feet are more angled forward/down than before. Picture the classic Roadrunner cartoon where at full speed and side angle, the RR's head is forward of the feet, the entire body is leaning forward, and the RR is just chillin' doing it. The more forward I am of the BB, I'm pushing more back with my entire body to the wheel/chainstays, rather than pushing down or forward with my body further back of the BB. It's also less strenuous on everything, go figure. So now I'm in complete rethink of frame design, I could use a much steeper seat tube angle, 73.5-74 ish. This isn't stuff anyone can teach, other than encouraging the exploration/creativity to find your way as to what works and what doesn't.
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 1:34:13 PM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote: > I just remembered I also used Power Grips which was a nice combination of > foot retention and normal shoes. The one downside to power grips was that > they needed to be adjusted for shoes that were materially different in size > from the shoes used to set up the straps. Chuck Taylor’s vs hiking boots > for example. I set mine up a bit loose for Chuck’s which worked for most of > the shoes I used with the Power Grips. > > Robert Tilley > San Diego, CA > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:08 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > The first bike I bought for myself was a mid 80’s Schwinn Sierra and I > rode that to commute to work and school. Once I added a road bike (Nishiki > Prestige) to that I started reading cycling magazines and learned that the > flat pedals I had been using since I started riding weren’t the way to go. > So I bought some Time pedals and cleats for the road bike. The Schwinn got > some clips and straps for retention. > > At some point I ditched the Time for SPD’s and used those on all bikes for > years. When I got my Riv custom in 2000 I went in on the retro thing and > put clips and straps on it but that didn’t last long and the Riv soon got > SPD’s as well. > > Quite a few years back I picked up a Brompton and found the flat, no > retention pedals on it didn’t feel weird and I did not miss having > retention. Since then I have most of my bikes set up with flat pedals with > pins. I still have my “go fast” bike set up with SPD’s and I do put those > on my off-road bike when I plan to do more technical trails. But most > off-road rides I just used flats. > > I really like not having to change into different shoes when I ride. Most > of my riding is commuting/errands so I am not getting “kitted up” for those > rides. Since I’m not changing into a riding outfit it makes sense to not > have to change shoes as well. > > Robert Tilley > San Diego, CA > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 24, 2023, at 5:44 PM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > First entry in new Blahg. And no, he doesn't; he reports someone's > out-of-context judgment. > > But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how > many don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use > clipless systems -- and what kind. > > I'll start: I rode fast for years and thousands of miles in Keds with > thick, soft soles and then rubber-soled lace ups of other sorts on > un-clipped rat-trap pedals (and even rubber block pedals) until in about > 1990 I got my first relatively expensive road bike (1989 Falcon, tout 531C > with Sante group) and decided largely because of bike mag content that I'd > better get with the retention program. I started with Bata Bikers and clips > and straps, graduated to clips and straps and slotted cleats, then pretty > quickly switched to the burgeoning varieties of clipless -- Sampson > Stratics, Grafton "Erector Set" road and mtb pedals, Speedplay X1s and > Frogs, Looks of various sorts, and finally SPDs, road and mtb (by "road" I > mean the ones that came out for about 1 season long long ago with the mtb > mechanism). > > A couple of years ago I tried platforms with spikes and no-retention shoes > but after about a month of annoyance always shifting my foot to find the > right position I gave up and went back to SPDs. I've got SPDs on all my > bikes though I've got a very nice set of XC Pros + clips and straps + > almost-as-new wood-soled Duegis with cleats that I'd like to try -- I found > slotted cleats with semi-tight straps easier with a fixed drivetrain than > Look Keos -- except that SPDs are so perfect. > > So, I've round that having gotten used to retention I find it very hard to > give it up. I daresay that this habituation is stronger since so much of my > riding is on fixed drivetrains, but I'd still want at least clips and > loose-ish straps with rubber soles for any freewheel drivetrain. > > But again, SPDs just feel so perfect that I will probably just stay with > them. > > Best wishes to all for the Christmas season. > > Patrick Moore, finishing up a late resume on Xmas eve in ABQ, NM. > > -- > > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing > services > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* > > *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* > > *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfguYAx6YF83U2ve2FZUR8JxH%3DvmNB0XCw%3D6K2Gm9%2BjUimg%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfguYAx6YF83U2ve2FZUR8JxH%3DvmNB0XCw%3D6K2Gm9%2BjUimg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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