I love a triple paired with an 8 speed or less corncob cassette matched to downtube shifters. That's an amazing roadie configuration right there. Not to mention bomb proof. But I think what rides equally as nice is 11 speed 2x setups with a wide range cassette in the rear. The choice for me comes down to looks and vanity. Ron Mc's teaser drivetrain pic is really scratching an itch for me though! On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:36:47 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:
> I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 cassettes; I end > up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't use the 46x11) and for > these bikes I like it fine. > > In line with Bill's point, pairing a smaller front step with a wider range > cassette (but not too crazy) can work well. I recently ended up with a 2x9, > 42/34 x 11-40t setup on a bike and it's pretty nice for general use. The > smaller front step allows getting over rolling hills using front shifts > only, it's got great range (.85:1 - 3.8:1) and still doesn't end up with a > bunch of simultaneous front/rear shifting. And the 34t small ring lets you > use a standard 110 double crank. > > -Dave > On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:13:54 PM UTC-5 J J wrote: > >> Steven, thanks for the point about how useful triples are for riding with >> big loads, whether for touring, day tripping, shopping, whatever. I >> frequently haul loads up hills on my already-heavy Rivs, so a wide gear >> range with 24-34-44 or a 26-36-46 triple and a 34- or 36-tooth large rear >> sprocket works great for me. I'm a tinkerer but I don't mess with my front >> ders. They're set it and forget it. I also love the way shiny triple cranks >> look. I've never felt compelled to try a 1x from a functional or aesthetic >> standpoint. >> >> I agree with Johnny that much newfangled bike stuff and trends are driven >> by product differentiation and marketing. Sometimes what was once virtue >> becomes vice, sometimes what is old becomes new again. >> >> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:14:25 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote: >> >>> One point that I think is being missed, is for loaded touring bikes >>> triples make more sense. Though I am not camping I still am carrying around >>> 40 lbs on a 32 lb bike, low gears are especially useful on long and/or >>> steep hills. When home in central New Hampshire many of my favorite roads >>> are diificult if not impossible for me to ride without a 15-18” gear. >>> >>> Steven Sweedler >>> Plymouth, New Hampshire >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:43 PM Chris Halasz <cha...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm planning on going from 3x to 1x on my all-around Tosco'd LHT. Maybe >>>> even do that today, and replace the big ring with the Rivendell chainring >>>> guard. >>>> >>>> I haven't used the 48 in a long, long time. As for the 26 inner: there >>>> was a t-shirt from the 80s from a bike shop in Ketchum that read, "if you >>>> ain't hikin', you ain't mountain bikin'". If it gets that low, I >>>> appreciate >>>> the change in blood circulation by just walking those few minutes. >>>> >>>> - Chris >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak, >>>> Woodstown NJ wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bill L stated: " If it were me, I'd experiment with a 42-tooth big >>>>> ring before going to a triple" >>>>> >>>>> Question to Bill: Will a 42T large ring result in the FD hitting the >>>>> chain stay in the inner ring of a triple (say 24T or 26T) ??????? >>>>> >>>>> PS I agree with your comment on the 46-11 being a very high gear. >>>>> >>>>> John Hawrylak >>>>> Woodstown NJ >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ben >>>>>> >>>>>> You run a 46/30 with an 11-34 11sp cassette. If it were me, I'd >>>>>> experiment with a 42-tooth big ring before going to a triple. 46x11 is >>>>>> pretty darn high for a commuter/city bike. Anything higher than a 4:1 >>>>>> in >>>>>> my book is for the sole purpose of pedaling at >>40mph. That is a real >>>>>> use-case in hilly areas, but not for me, and especially not for a >>>>>> commuter/city bike. That's just a suggestion. The jump from 42 to 30 >>>>>> is >>>>>> much less dramatic. >>>>>> >>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:25:39 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been kind of triple-curious again. I live in a hilly part of >>>>>>> L.A. My commuter/city bike has an 11-34 11s with a 46/30 front. I've >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> finding the 46 to 30 jump to feel pretty large. It feels much more >>>>>>> dramatic >>>>>>> than 50-34. For instance, if I switch big to small in the from, I'll >>>>>>> sift >>>>>>> down at least 3 cogs on the back to totally avoid spinning out >>>>>>> immediately. >>>>>>> I sometimes find myself mildly cross chaining in either direction to >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> the right gear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So I've been thinking of either going 1x, or 3x. My other bike is >>>>>>> 1x, and it's a carbon all-road/gravel thing. I like the setup for >>>>>>> rougher >>>>>>> terrain. Also, I just don't like the idea of having duplicate bikes. I >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> romanticize the bike I had about 20 years go, which had an 11-27 9 >>>>>>> speed >>>>>>> with 24/36/46. At the time, it felt luxurious, natural, and easy. But I >>>>>>> didn't know then what I know now, and many times when I've set up a >>>>>>> modern >>>>>>> bike like this one from my past, I get quickly disillusioned and undo >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> change. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I kinda feel like the headline should be "triples: still fun and >>>>>>> useful for hands on bike nerds who like to tinker." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:44:06 AM UTC-8 >>>>>>> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I dissent. Front derailers are unnecessarily complicated to setup, >>>>>>>> and so are triple chainrings, especially on XD2s. I have 1X 10 one >>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>> bikes, and love it, and I just specced a 1X 11 with a Deore 5100 >>>>>>>> derailer >>>>>>>> and 11-51 cassette for my BMC Monstercross. The whole drivetrain cost >>>>>>>> less >>>>>>>> than a nice triple crankset, it's all lighter too. Check out Analog >>>>>>>> Cycles >>>>>>>> for inspiration. >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in the rear >>>>>>>>> because people didn't need to shift that much. The message was to >>>>>>>>> push >>>>>>>>> through if its too hard or even get off and push the bike up the >>>>>>>>> hill. Now >>>>>>>>> its shifting to a new argument...why not have those extra gears >>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>> Honestly its all marketing to me. I like the simplicity of a 1x >>>>>>>>> because I >>>>>>>>> get the bulk of the gears I need with less maintenance. For me >>>>>>>>> (personally >>>>>>>>> mind you) the front derailer has always been the sketchiest part of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> setup. Dropping chains, chain rub....its all a balancing act. I am >>>>>>>>> happy to >>>>>>>>> have that all go away with a sacrifice of the granny gear. I see what >>>>>>>>> VO is >>>>>>>>> saying and I think its probably a practical opinion but for me?? 1x >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> works. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have a triple on just one bike (Soma Saga). My main problem is >>>>>>>>>> that when I’m in the smallest chainring I am moving so slowly that >>>>>>>>>> it’s >>>>>>>>>> hard to stay upright. On the very steep inclines that necessitate >>>>>>>>>> the small >>>>>>>>>> cog, I find it easier to just get off and walk the bike up the hill >>>>>>>>>> (something we used to call a “24-inch gear”). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --Eric Norris >>>>>>>>>> campyo...@me.com >>>>>>>>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy >>>>>>>>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 9, 2024, at 9:20 AM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've been on half-step triples for over a decade, and never >>>>>>>>>> looked back. >>>>>>>>>> Many 30-mi rides never see a rear shift. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <Capture.JPG> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For several years all my bikes have had triples, usually >>>>>>>>>>> 46-32-20 on XT 737 cranks. For this current trip I took off the big >>>>>>>>>>> ring >>>>>>>>>>> because I rarely use it when touring with Cindy, or any of my solo >>>>>>>>>>> riding, >>>>>>>>>>> just when riding with the guys chasing them down hills. It does >>>>>>>>>>> look a >>>>>>>>>>> little ridiculous, with the front der way up in the air but so far >>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>> working out just fine. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Steven Sweedler >>>>>>>>>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 4:47 PM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> VO makes a good case for triples: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://mailchi.mp/velo-orange.com/triplesaregreatchangemymind?e=9c5efe5ba1 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Simplicity and Effectiveness* While 1x systems boast >>>>>>>>>>>> simplicity, the emphasis on constant shifting may be overstated. >>>>>>>>>>>> Many >>>>>>>>>>>> riders find themselves primarily using the middle ring, operating >>>>>>>>>>>> as a 1x >>>>>>>>>>>> system with added flexibility to adapt to different terrain. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The point that triples are usually used as 1Xs with low and >>>>>>>>>>>> high ranges available is the key, I think. I know that, even with >>>>>>>>>>>> 10 or 11 >>>>>>>>>>>> in back, I'd not want a 1X, and even a 1X + granny (ie, very wide >>>>>>>>>>>> range >>>>>>>>>>>> subcompact 2X) would leave me wanting easy-shifting gears for >>>>>>>>>>>> steep rolling >>>>>>>>>>>> offroad terrain (which I don't ride anymore), as I found when I >>>>>>>>>>>> swapped out >>>>>>>>>>>> a 3X7 for a 2X9 on my erstwhile Fargo. 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