Who’s doing long chainstays other than Jones? For MTB, it doesn’t work for me. I was getting hung up like crazy. Switchbacks and tight turns were a chore. Up and down techy Boulder sections, the bash guard was getting a workout. Stopped me dead in my tracks a few times.
On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 7:23:36 PM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com wrote: > Do they make you turn in your Riv card for such a question? Heresy. > > I haven't ridden a new Riv but I'll confess being put off visually by the > design. My 46cm-stay Schwinn passage gets close-ish and I only ride that > for dirt touring. It is interesting to see some small mtb makers with > long-chainstay models; obviously there's something there. Just not a thing > I need. Yet. :) > > Will > > On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 2:45:44 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote: > >> My Roadini has a 45cm chainstay. My custom touring bike has a 43cm >> chainstay. When riding it doesn't make a big difference --- I'm far more >> sensitive to the 5mm higher BB on the Roadini. When packing it to tour 2cm >> is not a huge difference either. The A Homer Hilsen has a whopping 50cm >> chainstay. At that point it'll be difficult to pack it into a box for >> flying, which was why I decided against the Hilsen. >> >> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 10:24:27 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >>> Garth got off the point with: "People do lament about modern frame/parts >>> design Bil" >>> >>> I am aware that there are forums for all kinds of bellyachers. The >>> distinction I was making is that I know of no other brand that has a forum >>> of users like Rivendell. In this Riv Group, the participants >>> self-assemble, and include those who like Rivendell in 2024, those who have >>> always liked Rivendell, and those who USED to like Rivendell but now >>> vigorously disapprove of Rivendell. There's no other brand that gets that >>> kind of devotion. There's no grumpy cyclist, riding a 1984 Trek 720, >>> chiming in on a current forum of Trek users, wailing "to hell with your >>> Emonda! Trek should re-introduce investment cast lugs!" >>> >>> That was point #1. Point #2 is that even if Trek in 2024 is aware of >>> that pissed-of grouch on a 720, they don't give a crap about that person. >>> Rivendell knows that lots of their former fans now hate them. Rivendell >>> is flattered that you, Garth, are so devoted to your Bombadil, and so >>> aggrieved and offended by their evolution that you boycott them -AND- >>> continuously participate on the forum to repeat how disapproving you are. >>> That kind of devotion is rare, and Rivendell respects and appreciates the >>> energy. They sometimes get weary of it when the bellyachers want to yell >>> at them on the phone, because they've got work to do, but on the forum, >>> they love it. When they built the Bombadil, they HOPED and PRAYED that it >>> would be loved and ridden for a century. You are well on your way to >>> making their dream happen. Keep it up! >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:40:42 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> People do lament about modern frame/parts design Bill, and they do it >>>> @Bikeforums.net in mostly the classic & vintage section :) All vintage >>>> makes and models are talked about and bought and sold and very much >>>> prized/appreciated. It is by far the most active section of BF. There's a >>>> couple of members who regularly post .pdf scans of old cycling >>>> publications >>>> like Bicycling! magazine of most any bike that was reviewed at the time. >>>> Not just bikes of course but all the vintage parts too from how they work >>>> to how to tear down and repair them. It's a very diverse community that >>>> has >>>> the same polarizing topics as any other places, but it's broken down into >>>> vary sections to make it easier to post and find posts. Lots of riders who >>>> love anything "new" and lots that don't. >>>> >>>> The demand and use for all kinds of bikes and parts Worlwide is far >>>> beyond anyone's means or abilities to count. Andel, likely the largest >>>> crank manufacturer in the World, has lots of traditional doubles and >>>> triples and they manufacture Riv's cranks for them. >>>> >>>> As for the megastays, it is what it is. There's a whole lotta frames >>>> and makers to choose from. Thankfully there are other people/businesses >>>> interested in having steel frames(stock and custom), friction shifters and >>>> non-disc hubs made so there's very little if anything I shop @Riv for. >>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:13:52 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>> >>>>> I promise you that Rivendell is flattered that nice people gather >>>>> themselves to complain about the former-models that Riv no longer makes. >>>>> It shows a love for Rivendell that most other bike brands don't get. >>>>> There's no Specialized google group where current Specialized fans are >>>>> griping about Rockhoppers and Sequoias. All those nostalgic cyclists >>>>> have >>>>> bailed on Specialized entirely. >>>>> >>>>> What Rivendell does, and has always done, is build the bikes they want >>>>> to exist. If you like one and want to buy it, great. If you don't like >>>>> any of them and buy something else, that's also great. They (Riv) does >>>>> not >>>>> care about making money, except to the extent they can keep the lights on >>>>> and pay their people a modest living wage. They do not care about >>>>> growth. >>>>> Actually, they probably have made up their minds that they can't grow. >>>>> They know exactly how many bikes they can afford to sell, and they plan >>>>> out making that many bikes. That very limited number of bikes is always >>>>> going to be "whatever they feel like making". They count on the fact >>>>> that >>>>> somebody is going to buy them, and it usually works out for them. The >>>>> bikes they feel like making are bikes that don't exist anywhere else >>>>> and/or >>>>> have never been made before. When they made the Saluki circa 2007, bikes >>>>> like the Saluki didn't exist. Today, bikes like the Saluki do exist, so >>>>> Riv doesn't have to make them. The fact that some Riv-fans are nostalgic >>>>> for former models is touching, but they don't make nostalgia models. If >>>>> you >>>>> want a short wheelbase Rivendell, buy a Crust, ride the heck out of it, >>>>> and >>>>> be happy. That's what Riv would tell you. >>>>> >>>>> The Roaduno is the classic, IMO. They love the idea of a purpose >>>>> built 3x1 road bike. Nobody...not a single person on earth is pounding >>>>> on >>>>> their keyboard complaining that it's hard to find a purpose built 3x1 >>>>> road >>>>> bike. There is NO demand for it, but Riv is making it anyway, because >>>>> they >>>>> feel like it. If you buy it, great. If you don't, they hope you find >>>>> something else that you do want to buy. It's perfectly logical for you >>>>> nostalgic Riv-fans to gripe "they couldve taken that Roaduno money and >>>>> did >>>>> a run of traditional short-wheelbase Atlantis!!!!" Yep, they could have. >>>>> That's not what they felt like doing. >>>>> >>>>> My advice to the disappointed is to just let Riv be Riv. Seek out the >>>>> bikes you like, buy them and ride them. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:49:54 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I like the bit longer chain stays of my Sam and Saluki as well but >>>>>> that is as long as I need. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 12:01 PM Tim Bantham <tba...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, >>>>>>> the Clem I bought a few years ago was intended to be an analog mountain >>>>>>> bike. I found the long chainstays to be a liability for east coast >>>>>>> single >>>>>>> track. This is especially the case with tight turns and the need to >>>>>>> carry >>>>>>> the bike. If I had to do it all over for the type of MTB riding that I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> available to me I would go for a bike with shorter stays and a lighter >>>>>>> frame. That said, I love the longer chainstays on my Sam as compared to >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> regular road/gravel bike. Definitely noticeable on the descents. 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