What Treks did you see? Looking at their website, I don't see anything that long, outside their Electra cruisers. Trek has a LOT of models though, so it's easy to overlook something.
Eric On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 12:50 PM Mike Godwin <spokenhu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Went to my LBS looking for a bike box, and there is one wall with new > long-chain stay-wheelbase Treks ready to ride out the door. I figured > someone would copy Riv sooner or later. People have been copying Riv since > late in the last century, much like folks are copying RH tires since about > 2010. > > I guess they know a good thing when they ride it. > Mike SLO CA > On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:40:42 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote: > >> >> People do lament about modern frame/parts design Bill, and they do it >> @Bikeforums.net in mostly the classic & vintage section :) All vintage >> makes and models are talked about and bought and sold and very much >> prized/appreciated. It is by far the most active section of BF. There's a >> couple of members who regularly post .pdf scans of old cycling publications >> like Bicycling! magazine of most any bike that was reviewed at the time. >> Not just bikes of course but all the vintage parts too from how they work >> to how to tear down and repair them. It's a very diverse community that has >> the same polarizing topics as any other places, but it's broken down into >> vary sections to make it easier to post and find posts. Lots of riders who >> love anything "new" and lots that don't. >> >> The demand and use for all kinds of bikes and parts Worlwide is far >> beyond anyone's means or abilities to count. Andel, likely the largest >> crank manufacturer in the World, has lots of traditional doubles and >> triples and they manufacture Riv's cranks for them. >> >> As for the megastays, it is what it is. There's a whole lotta frames and >> makers to choose from. Thankfully there are other people/businesses >> interested in having steel frames(stock and custom), friction shifters and >> non-disc hubs made so there's very little if anything I shop @Riv for. >> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:13:52 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >>> I promise you that Rivendell is flattered that nice people gather >>> themselves to complain about the former-models that Riv no longer makes. >>> It shows a love for Rivendell that most other bike brands don't get. >>> There's no Specialized google group where current Specialized fans are >>> griping about Rockhoppers and Sequoias. All those nostalgic cyclists have >>> bailed on Specialized entirely. >>> >>> What Rivendell does, and has always done, is build the bikes they want >>> to exist. If you like one and want to buy it, great. If you don't like >>> any of them and buy something else, that's also great. They (Riv) does not >>> care about making money, except to the extent they can keep the lights on >>> and pay their people a modest living wage. They do not care about growth. >>> Actually, they probably have made up their minds that they can't grow. >>> They know exactly how many bikes they can afford to sell, and they plan out >>> making that many bikes. That very limited number of bikes is always going >>> to be "whatever they feel like making". They count on the fact that >>> somebody is going to buy them, and it usually works out for them. The >>> bikes they feel like making are bikes that don't exist anywhere else and/or >>> have never been made before. When they made the Saluki circa 2007, bikes >>> like the Saluki didn't exist. Today, bikes like the Saluki do exist, so >>> Riv doesn't have to make them. The fact that some Riv-fans are nostalgic >>> for former models is touching, but they don't make nostalgia models. If you >>> want a short wheelbase Rivendell, buy a Crust, ride the heck out of it, and >>> be happy. That's what Riv would tell you. >>> >>> The Roaduno is the classic, IMO. They love the idea of a purpose built >>> 3x1 road bike. Nobody...not a single person on earth is pounding on their >>> keyboard complaining that it's hard to find a purpose built 3x1 road bike. >>> There is NO demand for it, but Riv is making it anyway, because they feel >>> like it. If you buy it, great. If you don't, they hope you find something >>> else that you do want to buy. It's perfectly logical for you nostalgic >>> Riv-fans to gripe "they couldve taken that Roaduno money and did a run of >>> traditional short-wheelbase Atlantis!!!!" Yep, they could have. That's >>> not what they felt like doing. >>> >>> My advice to the disappointed is to just let Riv be Riv. Seek out the >>> bikes you like, buy them and ride them. >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:49:54 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> I like the bit longer chain stays of my Sam and Saluki as well but that >>>> is as long as I need. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 12:01 PM Tim Bantham <tba...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, the >>>>> Clem I bought a few years ago was intended to be an analog mountain bike. >>>>> I >>>>> found the long chainstays to be a liability for east coast single track. >>>>> This is especially the case with tight turns and the need to carry the >>>>> bike. If I had to do it all over for the type of MTB riding that I have >>>>> available to me I would go for a bike with shorter stays and a lighter >>>>> frame. That said, I love the longer chainstays on my Sam as compared to a >>>>> regular road/gravel bike. Definitely noticeable on the descents. 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