Bill and Ted,  can you explain what you mean by the Dia Compe 986 deforming 
or squishing when overtightened?  These are my favorite cantis.  What 
should I be careful about over tightening, and what part is prone to 
deforming?

Thanks, 
Greg / Oakland

On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:18:38 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 9:11:20 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> ...Smooth post cantilevers, in my view, raise the ceiling for a good 
> mechanic.  I feel like the extra work required represents the mechanical 
> "envelope" to get things perfect.  On these forums (RBW, IBOB, 650B) I've 
> advised that the typical home-mechanic should probably not take on Rene 
> Herse Cantilevers, it's too heavy a lift.  The second reason is that smooth 
> post cantilevers give me more room to play with rim width.  In the hands of 
> the right mechanic, I think smooth post cantilevers are preferable. 
>
>
> Such a great, thoughtful response, Bill. I encourage everyone to read it 
> through, even though I've kept just a small part of it here.
>
> I had a laugh because Dia Compe 986 are exactly what I had in mind about 
> impossible to readjust brakes. 20 year old me had them on both a Marukin 
> Northstar and a Santana Elan. The Santana was especially challenging 
> because Santana placed the mounts way too close together. They might have 
> worked on a 5mm wide rim. The tandem was my wife's and my wedding gift to 
> each other, and around our 30th anniversary I had Waterford do a full 
> repaint and I replaced all the components with updated parts. Shimano CX-70 
> brakes were a revelation and for the first time I had fully confident 
> braking on the bike. Wished I had them on our honeymoon, camping in Vermont!
>
> I hadn't thought much about rim width in writing my initial post, probably 
> because I'd forgotten about the initial installation and choosing the right 
> bolt/spacer combo on the CX-50s. But I don't think my mind is changed about 
> the extent to which the Shimano CX system improves on smooth posts. On the 
> contrary, the fact that I didn't have to think about that part of the setup 
> when changing pads illustrates one of its advantages for me. Different 
> length bolts and spacers would be compatible with the adapter I have in 
> mind. Fortunately, having put 4 sets of CX brakes on bikes, I have a pretty 
> good supply of spacers and bolts :-). I don't think the weight gain, if 
> there is any, would be enough to change my mind.  
>
> One thing that the CX and Rene Herse brakes have in common, that makes 
> them such a pleasure (and so much easier) to work on, is the quality of the 
> hardware. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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