Until augmented reality gets good enough within the next 5 years, I urge 
people to jump on a video call with an unknown seller for any big ticket 
items.

If a seller is unwilling to do that for a bike frame, that's a red flag for 
me.

Al in SF

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:42:39 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There are also ways to include a proxy service in between.  These can be 
> informal or professional.  You just agree on a third party that both sides 
> decide to trust.  For example, if I wanted to buy a bike from Seller X, I 
> could nominate Joe Bernard as my proxy.  I give Joe Bernard my money, and 
> Joe Bernard tells Seller X to ship the bike to him because he's got my 
> money.  When Joe Bernard receives the bike, he can give Seller X my money.  
>
> If Seller X refuses to trust both me and Joe Bernard, then by all means 
> sell your bike on eBay or similar.  Professional proxy services would take 
> a cut.  Joe Bernard would work out some gentleman's karmic equity betwixt 
> us if we did such a thing.  
>
> For truly long-term posters, I would even venture that you could parlay 
> your status on this board to serve as your own proxy service.  If I wanted 
> a bike from a first-time poster, I'd tell them "I like your price, and I'll 
> pay it AFTER I receive your bike". I'm not going to trash my status in this 
> group by stealing one bike.  If the seller likes the idea of selling their 
> bike to somebody who knows what they are doing, they should be happy to 
> give me their bike and trust I'll pay for it after I receive it. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 9:04:53 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> My concern is FS posts from folks with no history of posting here. My 
>> advice to all is skip it. 
>>
>> Joe "been around a while" Bernard 
>> Clearlake CA 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> If you are worried that the poster does not have possession of a 
>>> specific item, it's pretty simple to ask for verification with an updated 
>>> image. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 8:40:20 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
>>>> Max - 
>>>> I realize you have been in this group for a while, but unless you have 
>>>> something concrete to offer, I'd ask that you refrain from posting 
>>>> commentary like this. It's exceedingly vague. If you are an injured party 
>>>> in a specific transaction, that's different. But it did not seem that way 
>>>> from this post. 
>>>>
>>>> If I understand the issue - a seller repurposed a photograph of a pair 
>>>> of handlebars. That seems to be the one issue at this point. 
>>>>
>>>> As I said in a separate thread - if you have specific _experience_ with 
>>>> a seller, you are welcome to email the admin - that would be me - with 
>>>> information.
>>>>
>>>> Most of the recent scam attempts - and there are very few here - are 
>>>> via a DM from someone who has not taken the time to post anything. In this 
>>>> case, while I certainly encourage caution on any transaction, let's dial 
>>>> things back a notch, OK?
>>>>
>>>> Jim / list admin
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 5:04:46 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cuddle Bears is / are selling a Susie bike for a very good asking 
>>>>> price, almost too good to be true. User has no prior posts, a few other 
>>>>> details don't check out. Use caution. 
>>>>
>>>>

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