Hey Robert, I remember seeing this once upon a time. Perhaps it's where the 
seed of my idea to get my bike in a boat came from. Very cool, indeed!

Hey Patrick, It's hard to say. The Alpackaraft may be a little more 
particular about where the bike is placed, but time from arrival to launch 
is probably similar. I do imagine that Wes is correct- the Alpackaraft 
weighs only 5lbs, and that's pretty tough to beat.

In the end, I agree with Patrick: any bike/boat combo is just plain fun!

Cheers, John

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:15:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the mass 
> of his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a minimalist 
> trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem 
> than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors have 
> (fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged steel 
> bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.
>
> John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between bike 
> packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?
>
> I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident 
> looks like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a great 
> number of photos.
>
>
> [*Ill disciplined imagination: recall the Economist cover with drawing of 
> Ozarks or Appalachian front porch during Clinton I vs Lewinsky, with 
> slogan: "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." Nothing beats Southern 
> syntax.]
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley <brooks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>>
>> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six years 
>> ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It turned 
>> out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable kayaks. 
>>
>> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really a 
>> great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard 
>>> about; thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and its 
>>> features.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM <rlti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty unique 
>>>> setup!
>>>>
>>>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz 
>>>> <https://youtu.be/k-DLqc9Vplg?si=R3KNhdfn5-IZzuEK>
>>>> youtu.be <https://youtu.be/k-DLqc9Vplg?si=R3KNhdfn5-IZzuEK>
>>>> <https://youtu.be/k-DLqc9Vplg?si=R3KNhdfn5-IZzuEK>
>>>>
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