Hi Patrick! bikeinsights.com has the geometry. I can’t link the geo chart 
directly but you can look it up there! I can’t say if it is 100% accurate 
but it seems to be. They also have the new L model so you can compare the 
two!

On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 6:58:57 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Kim; that is very doable and in fact the list for a built-up Clem 
> on the Riv site is very attractive. 
>
> Color is of least concern, especially as, for now, I am thinking of one to 
> use as a beater; patchwork or primer with a few dents would be ideal. I'm 
> much more interested in the ride feel (highly praised by all) and whether I 
> can build it to sufficiently match my personal preferences. If the H has a 
> shorter tt and a steeper head than the current model it might be more 
> compatible with those; of course, then the question is, does it handle and 
> "feel" like the L.
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 5:46 PM Kim H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> @Patrick,
>> Most all Rivendell bicycles hold their resale value. Pending on what 
>> componentry the seller has on his or her bicycle and the scarcity, the 
>> price range can vary any where from $1800.00 to $4000.00.
>>
>> You can find a used Clem for around $1800.00 and up. I sold my 59cm for 
>> $1800.00 locally. For shipping you are looking at around $200.00 through 
>> BikeFlights. 
>>
>> "The head tube is 71.5 degrees on the old "H" model.  On the new "L" 
>> model is 69.5 degrees. Therefore it will be a bit better for off road. It 
>> also has quite a bit more fork rake" from Ryan Frahm.
>>
>> What color of Clem are you specifically looking for ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 10:27:40 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, the first Clems were made in 2 styles, the normal top tube 
>>> (H)is and the low tube (L)adies, originally called Clementine., an awesome 
>>> name. The story I read alleges "someone" took offense to the frame 
>>> name/designation, so apparently Grant gave in to the insanity and changed 
>>> it. Well I'm so offended by anyone who had a thing against the name 
>>> designations Clementine and Ladies. (tongue in cheek). No what ? (( 
>>> laughing )).   Those frames are a bit shorter in the front end than the 
>>> current model design that began in 2019 or so.  What you may pay for any of 
>>> them has everything to do with whatever satisfies the seller. Could be 
>>> nothing, $20, $2000. (( shrugs and a smile )).  
>>> On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 12:52:23 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is the difference between the Clem L and the Clem H? Are there any 
>>>> other Clem models besides the L and H? If so, pray, what? And how are they 
>>>> different from the L and H?
>>>>
>>>> Last question: Are any of these models likely to be cheaper on the used 
>>>> market than others?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>

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