That's what I need; many thanks.

On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 8:03 AM Ryan Frahm <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Patrick! bikeinsights.com has the geometry. I can’t link the geo chart
> directly but you can look it up there! I can’t say if it is 100% accurate
> but it seems to be. They also have the new L model so you can compare the
> two!
>
> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 6:58:57 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Kim; that is very doable and in fact the list for a built-up Clem
>> on the Riv site is very attractive.
>>
>> Color is of least concern, especially as, for now, I am thinking of one
>> to use as a beater; patchwork or primer with a few dents would be ideal.
>> I'm much more interested in the ride feel (highly praised by all) and
>> whether I can build it to sufficiently match my personal preferences. If
>> the H has a shorter tt and a steeper head than the current model it might
>> be more compatible with those; of course, then the question is, does it
>> handle and "feel" like the L.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 5:46 PM Kim H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> @Patrick,
>>> Most all Rivendell bicycles hold their resale value. Pending on what
>>> componentry the seller has on his or her bicycle and the scarcity, the
>>> price range can vary any where from $1800.00 to $4000.00.
>>>
>>> You can find a used Clem for around $1800.00 and up. I sold my 59cm for
>>> $1800.00 locally. For shipping you are looking at around $200.00 through
>>> BikeFlights.
>>>
>>> "The head tube is 71.5 degrees on the old "H" model.  On the new "L"
>>> model is 69.5 degrees. Therefore it will be a bit better for off road. It
>>> also has quite a bit more fork rake" from Ryan Frahm.
>>>
>>> What color of Clem are you specifically looking for ?
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 10:27:40 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patrick, the first Clems were made in 2 styles, the normal top tube
>>>> (H)is and the low tube (L)adies, originally called Clementine., an awesome
>>>> name. The story I read alleges "someone" took offense to the frame
>>>> name/designation, so apparently Grant gave in to the insanity and changed
>>>> it. Well I'm so offended by anyone who had a thing against the name
>>>> designations Clementine and Ladies. (tongue in cheek). No what ? ((
>>>> laughing )).   Those frames are a bit shorter in the front end than the
>>>> current model design that began in 2019 or so.  What you may pay for any of
>>>> them has everything to do with whatever satisfies the seller. Could be
>>>> nothing, $20, $2000. (( shrugs and a smile )).
>>>> On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 12:52:23 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What is the difference between the Clem L and the Clem H? Are there
>>>>> any other Clem models besides the L and H? If so, pray, what? And how are
>>>>> they different from the L and H?
>>>>>
>>>>> Last question: Are any of these models likely to be cheaper on the
>>>>> used market than others?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
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