Hi Robert, Blue Lug got the Atlantis frames already? They are closer to Taiwan, but Riv didn't even get them yet, right?
On Friday, March 28, 2025 at 6:27:27 AM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote: > I was just at the Blue Lug in Yoyogi Park and they did have Atlantis > frames there. I am not sure if all are claimed but all I saw were either > being built up or already assembled. I did not take a good look to see if > any of the frames hanging from the roof were Atlantis frames or not since > time was limited. Here are a couple of pics: > > [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg] > > Robert Tilley > San Diego, CA (but currently in Tokyo) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 21, 2025, at 9:24 AM, Jason Fuller <[email protected]> wrote: > > I too was surprised at how quickly these went - I suppose, it's been a > long time since the last run of Atlantis and that Sergio green is to die > for. But still, wow. > > > > Agree with the suggestion to keep an eye on Blue Lug - hopefully they are > receiving some but probably selling once stocked, not as a presale. They > seem to be able to hang onto stock MUCH longer, despite selling at a pretty > similar landed price to getting directly from Riv. > > And on the other part of the discussion, while it would seem from a > customer perspective that it can't be that hard to gauge demand to avoid > running out within minutes, I think it's actually very difficult - and if > they get it wrong the other way, they'll have more stock than space to > store it. As mentioned Grant has a company size that is comfortable and I > really respect sticking with that. It's tough to miss out though for sure, > especially when you've been looking forward to it for a while. Again hope > Blue Lug comes to the rescue for those who are crestfallen! > > On Thursday, 20 March 2025 at 17:15:14 UTC-7 der_amerikanische_freund > wrote: > >> That is very odd, especially considering they now have a number of >> dealers outside the USA, like The Woods Cyclery in the UK, and La Chouette >> in France. >> >> I guess ordering from Blue Lug would mean you end up paying a lot more >> for the frame, as its sale price in Japanese Yen will include import duties >> from USA to Japan, plus you will have to pay import duties again to get it >> back to USA. >> >> El jueves, 20 de marzo de 2025 a las 22:37:29 UTC, Jay escribió: >> >>> It's like trying to buy concert tickets and the use of 'bots'! >>> >>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 6:36:27 PM UTC-4 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I reached out to Analog about the Clem's (as I missed out on a 59cm >>>> complete/frame) and got this response: >>>> >>>> "Hi Drew, >>>> >>>> Riv, for a number of reasons that are not very interesting, has >>>> temporarily suspended all dealer frame sales. Hopefully by summer it's >>>> back in action, but the last frames we were able to get were the Roadinis. >>>> >>>> So no clems, I'm sorry!" >>>> >>>> Blue Lug might be your best bet, as they still got some of the last >>>> round of Clems(of which I still missed out on a 59cm....). Though it might >>>> be worth reaching out to James at Analog before then! >>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 5:38:27 PM UTC-4 >>>> der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wonder, if getting one online in the presale is almost impossible, >>>>> can't you just call ahead Analog cycles or some other dealer and reserve >>>>> one on the phone? >>>>> >>>>> I think an improvement to Riv's current system would be to have a time >>>>> window before placing an order (let's 6 months before, even 1 year >>>>> before) >>>>> where everyone who wants one pays a deposit. That way they know how many >>>>> frames they will sell, and they will place and order accordingly, and >>>>> they >>>>> will also get a lot of cash in advance (more so than they do now), and >>>>> people will have certainty they will get the frame they wanted. If >>>>> someone >>>>> bails out last minute, Rivendell would still keep the deposit money, plus >>>>> they can still sell the bike to a new person. >>>>> >>>>> El jueves, 20 de marzo de 2025 a las 19:32:05 UTC, iamkeith escribió: >>>>> >>>>>> And only a couple of those! Continuing the parallel discussion, I'd >>>>>> bet it would have been frustrating even for Rivendell to not have >>>>>> enough, >>>>>> if they felt like they might have missed some sales and left money on >>>>>> the >>>>>> table. Let's assume they ordered exactly the right number. That's >>>>>> impressive! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 1:26:50 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Unbelievable! All sold except size 62 Sergio Green. >>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 3:13:09 PM UTC-4 Ben Miller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry to hear that Armand! Yeah, looks like all the Classic Sub >>>>>>>> Green are sold out, other that the largest size, in less than 5 mins. >>>>>>>> Hopefully you can get one from one of the Riv dealers, like Blue Lug >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> Analog?? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 12:07:17 PM UTC-7 >>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Apparently I do *not* have dibs one a 55cm Submarine Green >>>>>>>>> Atlantis! Was ready to go at noon, apparently the time it took for me >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> change my shipping address was enough to sell out in the first >>>>>>>>> minute. >>>>>>>>> Still want one should a lucky buyer change their mind. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 6 minutes in and all 50, 55, 59 sizes in both colors sold out! >>>>>>>>> Insane. I wonder what quantities they had available. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 10:28:44 AM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've got dibs on a 55cm in submarine green at noon! I'm about 5' >>>>>>>>>> 10.5" with about an 85cm pbh, barefoot. I have a good idea of fit >>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>> of my 55cm Platypus, just slightly less reach and more stack with >>>>>>>>>> the 55cm >>>>>>>>>> Atlantis, which should work out perfectly in dialing my fit. Going >>>>>>>>>> 55 vs 53 >>>>>>>>>> also means taller stack, and a larger main triangle for a custom >>>>>>>>>> half frame >>>>>>>>>> bag. Not overly concerned with an abundance of stand over height, as >>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>> be mostly riding this on pavement and smoother fire roads, have a >>>>>>>>>> proper >>>>>>>>>> mountain bike for singletrack. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I appreciate the pump peg being out of the main triangle, though >>>>>>>>>> I wish they would just put it behind the seat tube and take >>>>>>>>>> advantage of >>>>>>>>>> that massive real estate with the long chainstays. Plus a nod to old >>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>> mtb's pump placement. I will end up color matching a frame pump, >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> 'cause. Excited to run some 55cm rene herse slicks and squeeze in >>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>> Honjo flat fenders. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As for the business model of minimal inventory, I think it's >>>>>>>>>> great. From a behavioral design perspective, it easily tips those >>>>>>>>>> who are >>>>>>>>>> on the fence of purchasing into buying, such as myself! I definitely >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> *need* an Atlantis right now, my Platypus checks enough boxes. >>>>>>>>>> But because I know I want a traditional diamond frame at some point, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> that "some point" is in these limited windows of time, I will buy >>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> today. Limited availability and scarcity wreaks havoc with our >>>>>>>>>> evolutionary >>>>>>>>>> psychology when it comes to objects of need or desire. More >>>>>>>>>> businesses need >>>>>>>>>> to be content with their size, and evolve just enough to account for >>>>>>>>>> inflation and rising wages, like Rivendell do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:24:45 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am just under 5'10" or a tad over 5'9" ;-), with an 83 PBH. I >>>>>>>>>>> would likely go with a size 53 but according to the recommended >>>>>>>>>>> sizing >>>>>>>>>>> could ride a 50 too. I prefer to have just a fist full of seat post >>>>>>>>>>> showing. I like both colors. >>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 12:07:09 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>>>>> der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It’s been a very informative off-topic though, Doug. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, I plan on getting a size 55 in Blue. As much as I >>>>>>>>>>>> liked the last batch of Appas in Sergio Green, the Atlantis >>>>>>>>>>>> version isn’t >>>>>>>>>>>> quite of my liking. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It’d also be interesting to see what sizes people order based >>>>>>>>>>>> in their height and PBH. I’m 6’1 and 88 PBH and am going for size >>>>>>>>>>>> 55 as I >>>>>>>>>>>> plan on riding mainly off-road, maxing out tire size and therefore >>>>>>>>>>>> I’d >>>>>>>>>>>> welcome the standover provided in size 55. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck in the presale >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> El El jue, 20 mar 2025 a las 15:50, Doug H. < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escribió: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I regrettably derailed the original intent of this thread. Who >>>>>>>>>>>>> it planning to order an Atlantis today? If you do plan to order >>>>>>>>>>>>> one, which >>>>>>>>>>>>> color? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 11:46:36 AM UTC-4 iamkeith >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> They've been pretty transparent about their goals and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stratgy, through blogs and blahgs and emails. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, I can't think of another company that wears it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> business on it's sleeve so openly. If someone wanted to read >>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough >>>>>>>>>>>>>> archives, the thought process would become pretty clear. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My recollection, to add to what's already been said, is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they would prefer to order EXACTLY enough for everybody who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately, and also have EXACTLY enough extra stock for a year >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or two of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> future sales of each model. But it' obviously difficult to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> predict what >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that number will be. It's not to intentionally create a rush or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them exclusive by shutting some people out. On the other hand, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need for customers to act with some urgency once the shipment >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lands, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it locks up a lot of cash that they can't afford to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> without. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The required minimum quantities of sizes that don't sell well >>>>>>>>>>>>>> adds to the difficulty. As does their limited storage space. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand why someone would be frustrated, and have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there myself. Ever since the Great Recession, I've sort of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lived >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand-to-mouth, and am not always able to make big or spontaneous >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discretionary purchases at times that coincide with Rivendell's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> schedule. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably a good thing, in some ways. If I could, I'd buy an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atlantis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> today, just to test-fit - knowing there isn't a just-right size >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably release it later. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:14:18 AM UTC-6 EGNolan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems they're more popular, but the Riv mindset isn't to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grow, it's to remain sustainable. So rather than maximize sales >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but possibly sit on product for months or years, it's better to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to mostly sell out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get that it's frustrating not to be able to order one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any size of any frame at any time, but the companies that keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that kind of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stock also have to charge enough initially so they still make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they close out last year's model for 50% off before they pay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxes on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything they don't sell by year's end. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's easier to manage cash flow, expectations and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of the plates they're spinning if they can be intentional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quantities rather than having them sit around and having to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure out how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sell them. They used to have a lot more frames available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when they had a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot more sizes of each frame and had a bit less of an audience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think quantities have been reduced, I think variables (like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of sizes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> per bike, custom paint, etc.) have, which make them easier to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sell. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sustainable business practices don't always feel "good for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the consumer" but I'd rather have Rivendell Bicycle Works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around than have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the option to buy a frame in my size at any time if it meant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buh-bye. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $.02 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indpls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 10:45:04 AM UTC-4 Andy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beichler wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug, I don't have any insight but perhaps someone here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Has Rivendell started making smaller orders or are they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> popular? Either of those could cause low inventory situations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who has bought parts but never a frame from Rivendell, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main issue for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me with low inventory is that I can't endlessly do the pro/con >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rundown in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my head on buying an available frame or complete. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back on topic-I won't be buying an Atlantis today but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will log in later to see if there is one still available in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> size. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 3:57:25 PM UTC-4 Doug H. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your points make sense, Collin. Ordering to meet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonable, unsustainable demand would be a mistake for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure. Ordering >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to have inventory available would be nice, as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer. But, I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in no way knowledgeable about how to run a business >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully. I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just offering my observation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 3:52:18 PM UTC-4 Collin A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug, what you describe as being frustrating to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer is kinda what happened during COVID - a HUGE demand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for bikes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> early in the pandemic encouraged a lot of companies to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over-order parts and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bikes (in hindsight) and now those same companies are stuck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overstock and are just losing money hand-over-fist...so I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy Riv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't going down the path of ordering to meet demand and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focusing on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designing good stuff that folks want and making sure the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company holds on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the long haul. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Collin, Overstocked in Oakland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 12:46:33 PM UTC-7 Doug H. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This business model of having presales and keeping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> framesets somewhat scarce is interesting. People know if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they don't act >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly their chance may be gone for a year or more. Or, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can try to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a frame/bicycle of choice in the used market. I must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggravating as a consumer but as a business practice it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to work! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am planning on getting one in Atlantis classic color. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was kind of disappointed it is being offered in a color >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> classic Atlantis blue. I think that was part of its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appeal, the original >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (albeit very different to the original model) bike in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Riv line-up that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was only offered in one color, true to its principles blah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blah blah. Also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Sergio green also being the color of the Appaloosa, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and those two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bikes being so similar, I would even be tempted to merge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them, effectively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discontinuing one of the two, and offer more intermediate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sizes of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulting "Appa-lantis". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another thing I am not too enthused about this year's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> model is the pump peg in the seat stays. I do prefer the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less conspicuous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pin in the head tube underneath the top tube. I think that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you are not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning on carrying a large pump in the seat stay (either >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a mini pump or because you large pump lives in a frame >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bag), the peg itself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a bit of an eyesore that ruins the straight line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplicity of the seat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stays and rear triangle. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El lunes, 17 de marzo de 2025 a las 12:39:24 UTC, Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> H. escribió: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kat, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that the original Atlantis color is classic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and to my eyes just suits the bike. But, I really like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Sergio Green >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which would make it a tough choice for me! I have always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been a fan of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shades of green anyway including the Lime Olive green >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Riv has used. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder if the Atlantis bikes will sell out and/or sell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly during the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presale? It is always fun to watch but even more fun to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 5:42:37 AM UTC-4 Kat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just days now until the 2025 Atlantis sale! Who's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning on getting one? What colour? I'm interested in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing people's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on the Sergio green - I do feel much of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appeal of the Atlantis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that gorgeous blue. 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