They became available last Friday and I couldn’t resist. Well, it arrived today, and I’m more than happy! The Sergio green is stunning, especially in sunlight. There’s a pearl-like iridescence which isn’t apparent in photos. After seeing Atlantis’ in submarine green for 26 years (wow, that long) I was tending towards that option anyway when I missed out on any pre-sale. I was kinda worried about getting hit with a tariff change, but gladly there was none. It did get stuck in customs for about half a day and FedEx emailed a form to fill out, but otherwise all went smoothly. If you’re still considering an Atlantis I think you’ll be pleased. Mike G.
On Monday, April 21, 2025 at 5:05:51 AM UTC-7 Drew Fitchette wrote: > As mentioned in another thread in case anyone here missed it. Blue Lug has > most sizes in Sergio green in stock here: > > https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-atlantis-frame-set-sergio-green-1.html > > Go grab one if you missed out, and can stomach not having the traditional > submarine paint job! > > On Monday, March 31, 2025 at 8:07:59 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote: > >> Most Riv dealers get their frames directly from the factory, not via Riv >> HQ as I understand it. Blue Lug has traditionally received their frames >> very early due to their proximity to Taiwan. They have had frames for sale >> quite early in the past, but they just posted that they will not be selling >> the Atlantis frames online, but through in-store raffles only. >> >> On Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 23:35:18 UTC+2 der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >> >>> I know of at least one European dealer who has got their Atlantis frames >>> already. I would have thought shipping times were similar for Taiwan -> USA >>> (via Pacific Ocean) and Taiwan -> Europe (via Suez Canal) >>> >>> El dom, 30 mar 2025 a las 20:54, <[email protected]> escribió: >>> >>>> They were building up frames. I assume they were from the new batch but >>>> I didn’t ask. >>>> >>>> Robert Tilley >>>> San Diego, CA >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Mar 30, 2025, at 11:47 AM, Mike in BK <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Robert, >>>> >>>> Blue Lug got the Atlantis frames already? They are closer to Taiwan, >>>> but Riv didn't even get them yet, right? >>>> >>>> On Friday, March 28, 2025 at 6:27:27 AM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was just at the Blue Lug in Yoyogi Park and they did have Atlantis >>>>> frames there. I am not sure if all are claimed but all I saw were either >>>>> being built up or already assembled. I did not take a good look to see if >>>>> any of the frames hanging from the roof were Atlantis frames or not since >>>>> time was limited. Here are a couple of pics: >>>>> >>>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg] >>>>> >>>>> Robert Tilley >>>>> San Diego, CA (but currently in Tokyo) >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 21, 2025, at 9:24 AM, Jason Fuller <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I too was surprised at how quickly these went - I suppose, it's been >>>>> a long time since the last run of Atlantis and that Sergio green is to >>>>> die >>>>> for. But still, wow. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Agree with the suggestion to keep an eye on Blue Lug - hopefully they >>>>> are receiving some but probably selling once stocked, not as a presale. >>>>> They seem to be able to hang onto stock MUCH longer, despite selling at a >>>>> pretty similar landed price to getting directly from Riv. >>>>> >>>>> And on the other part of the discussion, while it would seem from a >>>>> customer perspective that it can't be that hard to gauge demand to avoid >>>>> running out within minutes, I think it's actually very difficult - and if >>>>> they get it wrong the other way, they'll have more stock than space to >>>>> store it. As mentioned Grant has a company size that is comfortable and >>>>> I >>>>> really respect sticking with that. It's tough to miss out though for >>>>> sure, >>>>> especially when you've been looking forward to it for a while. Again hope >>>>> Blue Lug comes to the rescue for those who are crestfallen! >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, 20 March 2025 at 17:15:14 UTC-7 der_amerikanische_freund >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That is very odd, especially considering they now have a number of >>>>>> dealers outside the USA, like The Woods Cyclery in the UK, and La >>>>>> Chouette >>>>>> in France. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess ordering from Blue Lug would mean you end up paying a lot >>>>>> more for the frame, as its sale price in Japanese Yen will include >>>>>> import >>>>>> duties from USA to Japan, plus you will have to pay import duties again >>>>>> to >>>>>> get it back to USA. >>>>>> >>>>>> El jueves, 20 de marzo de 2025 a las 22:37:29 UTC, Jay escribió: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's like trying to buy concert tickets and the use of 'bots'! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 6:36:27 PM UTC-4 [email protected] >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I reached out to Analog about the Clem's (as I missed out on a 59cm >>>>>>>> complete/frame) and got this response: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Hi Drew, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Riv, for a number of reasons that are not very interesting, has >>>>>>>> temporarily suspended all dealer frame sales. Hopefully by summer >>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>> back in action, but the last frames we were able to get were the >>>>>>>> Roadinis. >>>>>>>> So no clems, I'm sorry!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Blue Lug might be your best bet, as they still got some of the last >>>>>>>> round of Clems(of which I still missed out on a 59cm....). Though it >>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>> be worth reaching out to James at Analog before then! >>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 5:38:27 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>> der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wonder, if getting one online in the presale is almost >>>>>>>>> impossible, can't you just call ahead Analog cycles or some other >>>>>>>>> dealer >>>>>>>>> and reserve one on the phone? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think an improvement to Riv's current system would be to have a >>>>>>>>> time window before placing an order (let's 6 months before, even 1 >>>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>>> before) where everyone who wants one pays a deposit. That way they >>>>>>>>> know how >>>>>>>>> many frames they will sell, and they will place and order >>>>>>>>> accordingly, and >>>>>>>>> they will also get a lot of cash in advance (more so than they do >>>>>>>>> now), and >>>>>>>>> people will have certainty they will get the frame they wanted. If >>>>>>>>> someone >>>>>>>>> bails out last minute, Rivendell would still keep the deposit money, >>>>>>>>> plus >>>>>>>>> they can still sell the bike to a new person. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> El jueves, 20 de marzo de 2025 a las 19:32:05 UTC, iamkeith >>>>>>>>> escribió: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And only a couple of those! Continuing the parallel discussion, >>>>>>>>>> I'd bet it would have been frustrating even for Rivendell to not >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> enough, if they felt like they might have missed some sales and >>>>>>>>>> left money >>>>>>>>>> on the table. Let's assume they ordered exactly the right number. >>>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>>> impressive! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 1:26:50 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unbelievable! All sold except size 62 Sergio Green. >>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 3:13:09 PM UTC-4 Ben Miller wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to hear that Armand! Yeah, looks like all the Classic Sub >>>>>>>>>>>> Green are sold out, other that the largest size, in less than 5 >>>>>>>>>>>> mins. >>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully you can get one from one of the Riv dealers, like Blue >>>>>>>>>>>> Lug or >>>>>>>>>>>> Analog?? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 12:07:17 PM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently I do *not* have dibs one a 55cm Submarine Green >>>>>>>>>>>>> Atlantis! Was ready to go at noon, apparently the time it took >>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to >>>>>>>>>>>>> change my shipping address was enough to sell out in the first >>>>>>>>>>>>> minute. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Still want one should a lucky buyer change their mind. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 minutes in and all 50, 55, 59 sizes in both colors sold out! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Insane. I wonder what quantities they had available. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 10:28:44 AM UTC-7 Armand >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kizirian wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got dibs on a 55cm in submarine green at noon! I'm about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5' 10.5" with about an 85cm pbh, barefoot. I have a good idea of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of my 55cm Platypus, just slightly less reach and more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stack with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 55cm Atlantis, which should work out perfectly in dialing my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit. Going >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 55 vs 53 also means taller stack, and a larger main triangle for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a custom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> half frame bag. Not overly concerned with an abundance of stand >>>>>>>>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>>>>>>>> height, as I will be mostly riding this on pavement and smoother >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire >>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads, have a proper mountain bike for singletrack. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I appreciate the pump peg being out of the main triangle, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I wish they would just put it behind the seat tube and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>>>>> advantage of that massive real estate with the long chainstays. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus a nod >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to old school mtb's pump placement. I will end up color matching >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a frame >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pump, just 'cause. Excited to run some 55cm rene herse slicks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and squeeze >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in some Honjo flat fenders. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for the business model of minimal inventory, I think it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> great. From a behavioral design perspective, it easily tips >>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the fence of purchasing into buying, such as myself! I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *need* an Atlantis right now, my Platypus checks enough >>>>>>>>>>>>>> boxes. But because I know I want a traditional diamond frame at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some point, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that "some point" is in these limited windows of time, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will buy one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> today. Limited availability and scarcity wreaks havoc with our >>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolutionary >>>>>>>>>>>>>> psychology when it comes to objects of need or desire. More >>>>>>>>>>>>>> businesses need >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be content with their size, and evolve just enough to account >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inflation and rising wages, like Rivendell do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:24:45 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am just under 5'10" or a tad over 5'9" ;-), with an 83 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PBH. I would likely go with a size 53 but according to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommended >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sizing could ride a 50 too. I prefer to have just a fist full >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of seat post >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> showing. I like both colors. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 12:07:09 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s been a very informative off-topic though, Doug. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, I plan on getting a size 55 in Blue. As much as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I liked the last batch of Appas in Sergio Green, the Atlantis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version isn’t >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite of my liking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’d also be interesting to see what sizes people order >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based in their height and PBH. I’m 6’1 and 88 PBH and am going >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for size 55 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I plan on riding mainly off-road, maxing out tire size and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore I’d >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> welcome the standover provided in size 55. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck in the presale >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El El jue, 20 mar 2025 a las 15:50, Doug H. < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escribió: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I regrettably derailed the original intent of this thread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who it planning to order an Atlantis today? If you do plan to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order one, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which color? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 11:46:36 AM UTC-4 iamkeith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They've been pretty transparent about their goals and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stratgy, through blogs and blahgs and emails. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, I can't think of another company that wears >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's business on it's sleeve so openly. If someone wanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to read enough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> archives, the thought process would become pretty clear. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My recollection, to add to what's already been said, is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they would prefer to order EXACTLY enough for everybody >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who wants one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately, and also have EXACTLY enough extra stock for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year or two of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future sales of each model. But it' obviously difficult to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> predict what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that number will be. It's not to intentionally create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rush or to keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them exclusive by shutting some people out. On the other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand, they do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need for customers to act with some urgency once the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipment lands, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it locks up a lot of cash that they can't afford to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be without. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The required minimum quantities of sizes that don't sell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well adds to the difficulty. As does their limited storage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand why someone would be frustrated, and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been there myself. Ever since the Great Recession, I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of lived >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand-to-mouth, and am not always able to make big or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spontaneous or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discretionary purchases at times that coincide with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell's schedule. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably a good thing, in some ways. If I could, I'd buy an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atlantis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today, just to test-fit - knowing there isn't a just-right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> size - and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably release it later. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:14:18 AM UTC-6 EGNolan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems they're more popular, but the Riv mindset isn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to grow, it's to remain sustainable. So rather than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maximize sales >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential, but possibly sit on product for months or years, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's better to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order just enough to mostly sell out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get that it's frustrating not to be able to order one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of any size of any frame at any time, but the companies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that keep that kind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of stock also have to charge enough initially so they still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make money when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they close out last year's model for 50% off before they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay taxes on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything they don't sell by year's end. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's easier to manage cash flow, expectations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and all of the plates they're spinning if they can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intentional about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quantities rather than having them sit around and having to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure out how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sell them. They used to have a lot more frames available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when they had a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot more sizes of each frame and had a bit less of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audience. I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think quantities have been reduced, I think variables (like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of sizes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> per bike, custom paint, etc.) have, which make them easier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sell. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sustainable business practices don't always feel "good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the consumer" but I'd rather have Rivendell Bicycle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works around than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the option to buy a frame in my size at any time if it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant they went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buh-bye. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $.02 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indpls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 10:45:04 AM UTC-4 Andy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beichler wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug, I don't have any insight but perhaps someone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here, does. Has Rivendell started making smaller orders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or are they just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more popular? Either of those could cause low inventory >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> situations. As >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone who has bought parts but never a frame from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell, the main >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue for me with low inventory is that I can't endlessly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do the pro/con >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rundown in my head on buying an available frame or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back on topic-I won't be buying an Atlantis today but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will log in later to see if there is one still available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my size. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 3:57:25 PM UTC-4 Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> H. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your points make sense, Collin. Ordering to meet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonable, unsustainable demand would be a mistake for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure. Ordering >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to have inventory available would be nice, as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer. But, I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in no way knowledgeable about how to run a business >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully. I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just offering my observation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 3:52:18 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Collin A wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug, what you describe as being frustrating to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer is kinda what happened during COVID - a HUGE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demand for bikes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> early in the pandemic encouraged a lot of companies to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over-order parts and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bikes (in hindsight) and now those same companies are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck with all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overstock and are just losing money hand-over-fist...so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm very happy Riv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't going down the path of ordering to meet demand and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focusing on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designing good stuff that folks want and making sure the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company holds on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the long haul. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Collin, Overstocked in Oakland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 12:46:33 PM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug H. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This business model of having presales and keeping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> framesets somewhat scarce is interesting. People know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they don't act >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly their chance may be gone for a year or more. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, they can try to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a frame/bicycle of choice in the used market. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must say it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggravating as a consumer but as a business practice it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to work! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am planning on getting one in Atlantis classic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> color. I was kind of disappointed it is being offered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a color other than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the classic Atlantis blue. I think that was part of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its appeal, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original (albeit very different to the original model) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike in the Riv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line-up that was only offered in one color, true to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its principles blah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blah blah. Also with Sergio green also being the color >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the Appaloosa, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and those two bikes being so similar, I would even be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tempted to merge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them, effectively discontinuing one of the two, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer more intermediate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sizes of the resulting "Appa-lantis". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another thing I am not too enthused about this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year's model is the pump peg in the seat stays. I do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer the less >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conspicuous pin in the head tube underneath the top >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tube. I think that if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not planning on carrying a large pump in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seat stay (either >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because you have a mini pump or because you large pump >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives in a frame >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bag), the peg itself is a bit of an eyesore that ruins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the straight line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplicity of the seat stays and rear triangle. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El lunes, 17 de marzo de 2025 a las 12:39:24 UTC, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug H. escribió: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kat, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that the original Atlantis color is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> classic and to my eyes just suits the bike. But, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really like the Sergio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Green which would make it a tough choice for me! I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have always been a fan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of shades of green anyway including the Lime Olive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> green that Riv has used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if the Atlantis bikes will sell out and/or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sell quickly during the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presale? It is always fun to watch but even more fun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to participate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 5:42:37 AM UTC-4 Kat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just days now until the 2025 Atlantis sale! Who's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning on getting one? What colour? I'm interested >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in hearing people's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on the Sergio green - I do feel much of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appeal of the Atlantis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that gorgeous blue. 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