I second the notion of no plastic water bottles. For over a decade, I've
used the Kleen Kanteen 27 oz stainless containers, they are the same
diameter as the standard plastic bike water bottles. The secret is to use
the King Cage Iris cages. They snugly hold onto any stainless bottle with
ZERO rattle. For added convenience, I purchased a brand of screw-on
replacement lid called "The Coldest Water". It has a straw that reaches to
the bottom of the Kanteen and has a flip-up mouth tube that allows for
sipping without tipping up one's head....why every bike bottle doesn't have
this is a mystery. Looking to the sky to drink is a recipe for disaster
whilst moving along at a decent clip. I also have the un-insulated Bivo's
as well for frames that cannot handle the length of the long containers.
They are praiseworthy. I have zero need for ice water. Ambient water temp
is fine with me. IMHO, stainless is the only way to go. Bivo's work well
with the Iris cages. Cheers!

JohnRobertWilliams
Traverse City, MI

On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 9:07 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Steven, did you get the silicone coated Bivo? I got a purple one for my
> Charlie for hot summer rides but haven’t had any hot summer rides so
> haven’t used it yet. But that silicone was supposed to keep the cage from
> scratching the bottle.
>
> Now that I have moved Charlie to road bike duty, I needed a way to carry
> extra water for long rides. I carry my 40 oz Hydroflask in the Randi Jo bag
> on the stem. I used to toss in an extra bottle in my Saddlesack, but
> Charlie only has a Bananasax, so I’m going to use the cage mount for the
> first time.
>
> I despise drinking out of plastic and have been trying so hard to sub in
> healthy alternatives wherever I can. It’s a frustrating battle.
> L
>
> On Thursday, April 3, 2025 at 12:30:01 PM UTC-4 Steven Seelig wrote:
>
>> Aside from meeting all the great builders and Riv folks at the Philly
>> Bike Expo, I was also smitten by the idea of getting rid of all my plastic
>> water bottles and moving to these fabulous Bivo
>> <https://drinkbivo.com/blogs/news/neuhaus-bikes?utm_source=Bivo%20Contacts%20%28newsletter%29&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Neuhaus%20Bikes%20Feature%20%28clone%29&_kx=pQ9WyzaKCte-zoXsygKNuWnAw__xZpVZMzZn9JOs4Wo.PSsm5X>
>>  bottles.
>> At the risk of being a shill, I love them.
>>
>> They have solved the "how do I get water out of a metal bottle?" problem
>> by including a silicone straw that permits you to drink from the bottle
>> just as you would drink from a glass.  I bought three insulated versions,
>> and rotate them amongst my several bikes.  And they keep the ice cubes
>> cubed, at least in Spring weather.
>>
>> The downside is that you will have to either swap or rejigger your bottle
>> cage so that they fit properly and that the cage won't scratch the
>> surface.  This may be anathema, but I now have actual composite (yes,
>> carbon fiber) water bottle cages on several of my bikes.  At least I don't
>> have a carbon fiber fork.  And it takes some looking around to find one
>> that work properly.
>>
>> That said, this terrible twitch I have had for years from plastic
>> poisoning is now dissipating as I move to stainless steel (kidding).  But
>> at least I worry less about microplastics.  Plus, I can now use those
>> electrolyte tablets, whichI NEVER used in plastic bottles because they
>> never washed out, without a care in the world.
>>
>> What do other think about the whole plastic bottle thing and this
>> potential change?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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