Mystery solved, from Paul Price himself "We did not make those, but I have seen them before. They were actually sort of a copy of one of ours and made in Taiwan."
Max On Thursday, November 20, 2025 at 2:31:15 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote: > Look at this page I found, an amazing vault of early Paul catalogues: > https://www.oldschoolracing.ch/archiv/paul-components/?utm_source=chatgpt.com > > They look similar, but not identical to the Crosstop below, my best guess > is either an earlier Crosstop version, or a prototype of the crosstop. > > > Max > > On Thursday, November 20, 2025 at 2:21:28 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote: > >> I emailed Paul but haven't heard back. Also emailed Will, he said: "Cool >> bike! I have no idea. Grant and Sergio, who are standing behind me, also >> don't know." >> >> Seems like these are some unique brakes... >> >> Max >> >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2025 at 2:01 PM P W <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> If they are they’re nothing like them! >>> >>> P. W. >>> ~ >>> (917) 514-2207 >>> ~ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 20, 2025, at 10:45 AM, JohnS <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Could be a version of the black ones on this page... >>> >>> http://www.blackbirdsf.org/brake_obscura/paul_proto.html >>> >>> On Thursday, November 20, 2025 at 9:39:15 AM UTC-5 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I’ve never seen any generation of the Crosstop brake, production or the >>>> prototype, that look like that. Neither shape of arm, nor the pivot. >>>> >>>> So I’d be surprised if they were Paul’s. >>>> >>>> Especially considering the era of the bike they came on. >>>> >>>> But hey, worth asking the man himself! >>>> >>>> >>>> P. W. >>>> ~ >>>> (917) 514-2207 >>>> ~ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 20, 2025, at 6:31 AM, Huston <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Max, >>>> >>>> >>>> I think you scored a set of Paul Crosstop brakes but am not entirely >>>> sure from the photo. >>>> >>>> --Huston >>>> Lexington, KY >>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 20, 2025 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-5 Ryan Fleming wrote: >>>> >>>>> What a find...hope when my heirs sell off my bikes they find a good >>>>> home like this allrounder:...and how lucky you are that it's the right >>>>> size >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, November 20, 2025 at 6:58:01 AM UTC-6 maxcr wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks everyone for your messages! I'm pumped. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regarding brakes, they are supposed to be early Paul v-brakes but tbh >>>>>> I'm not 100% sure. It's what the seller said and they look like them, >>>>>> but I >>>>>> never saw this version. There is that pivot at the cable entrance, which >>>>>> is >>>>>> also vertical, not like current noodles where the cable is horizontal. >>>>>> So, >>>>>> I'm not sure if this was part of the brake, optional or an aftermarket >>>>>> adjuster... although it looks original.Here is a bad photo: >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: IMG_8332.jpeg] >>>>>> >>>>>> Regarding tires, I'm going to try the Rat Trap Passes, for me 2+ has >>>>>> always felt better. I've had the pressure problem / rollo over feel with >>>>>> wide RH tires in the past, but I think it's more of an issue with the >>>>>> extralight casing. I'm thinking of getting standard or endurance >>>>>> casings. >>>>>> The streets around me are in poor condition and I mean for this to be an >>>>>> all-rounder (pun intended) so it will see gravel and trails too... so >>>>>> standard or endurance? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Max >>>>>> >>>>>> PS. Wow, those scammers are scary! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 19, 2025 at 11:30:43 PM UTC-5 Stephen Durfee >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 for the Naches Pass... I just put them on my AR, thanks to James >>>>>>> in Richmond VA - as he says, smoooth and fast-rolling (thanks again, >>>>>>> James!) Welcome to the AR Club, Max! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 19, 2025 at 6:50:44 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Congrats, that's a grail. I have a '99 Joe Starck/Joe Bell in a >>>>>>>> 60cm. I"ve run at least a half dozen tires on it. I'm always the >>>>>>>> outlier, >>>>>>>> but I didn't like The Rat Trap Pass tires. At least not on this bike, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> despite being able to fit them with fenders. Wider rims than I have >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> definitely help but, otherwise, they were too pressure sensative. >>>>>>>> Either >>>>>>>> squirmy or bouncy, and hard to get just right. 1.95" seems to be my >>>>>>>> golidlox size, but that limits you to Sim Works Homage. FWIW. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 19, 2025 at 7:05:39 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Congratuations on the new AR. My beloved 1999 26” wheel fixed gear >>>>>>>>> road custom was also built by Joe and painted by the other Joe in >>>>>>>>> Navy >>>>>>>>> metallic with cream accents. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tires: What sort of riding will you do? For much riding on soft >>>>>>>>> dirt, the Rat Trap Passes would be very nice, but IMO, one can easily >>>>>>>>> install more tire than one needs and lose nimbleness in handling if >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> rolling efficiency, and I’m not convinced that on smooth roads >>>>>>>>> narrower up >>>>>>>>> to a point can’t be faster, all else equal; 28 mm Elk Passes “feel” >>>>>>>>> faster >>>>>>>>> to me (and of course, nimbler) than 42 mm Naches Passes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For me, if I didn’t ride in sandy soil, and for a 26” wheel, the >>>>>>>>> 42 mm Naches Pass would be the sweet spot, especially as it allows >>>>>>>>> fenders >>>>>>>>> where Rat Trap Passes don’t. 42 mm (especially with 26” tires — 700C >>>>>>>>> rolls >>>>>>>>> over obstacles better) would see me over all terrain from fine >>>>>>>>> asphalt to >>>>>>>>> firm gravel and sand. And I’ve ridden our ditchbank roads on tires >>>>>>>>> from 22 >>>>>>>>> mm to 72 mm. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To sum up: For an *All Rounder,* a 42 mm tire would seem to be >>>>>>>>> and excellent compromise for pavement and firmer dirt riding. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here is my “All Rounder,” a 2020 Chauncey Matthews 26” wheel 3 >>>>>>>>> speed fixed (ASC) road custom improving a 2003 Curt Goodrich 26” >>>>>>>>> wheel >>>>>>>>> Rivendell road custom that cloned (but the tubing was too stout) the >>>>>>>>> 1999 >>>>>>>>> Joe Starck 26” wheel Riv Road fixed gear custom which was an >>>>>>>>> improvement on >>>>>>>>> my 1995 Waterford 26” wheel Riv Road custom based on the first-gen >>>>>>>>> Rivendell All Rounder but with lighter tubing, road lugs, and >>>>>>>>> slightly >>>>>>>>> tighter angles. 42 mm (42 actual) Naches Passes under fenders. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 9:49 AM maxcr <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As mentioned in the CL thread, I was the lucky buyer of the AR >>>>>>>>>> from eBay. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here's a bad photo from my basement last night after picking it >>>>>>>>>> up. I promise better photos at some point in the future: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_8327.jpg] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've always been curious about the early models, the 26 wheels on >>>>>>>>>> large frame with a tighter geo, canti posts and great tire clearance >>>>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>>>> it super appealing to me. The price was fair, larger ARs don't come >>>>>>>>>> up for >>>>>>>>>> sale often. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm really happy that my hunch was correct, it's a 59! Which is >>>>>>>>>> the goldilocks size for me and more appropriate than 57 or 58. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The seller said that the owner was a doctor who recently passed >>>>>>>>>> away and his wife has been slowly selling his bikes through a friend >>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>> used to work at their LBS (he has a couple of tandems, a Jack >>>>>>>>>> Taylor, a Ti >>>>>>>>>> Seven and others that he's going to list). The bike has the original >>>>>>>>>> owners >>>>>>>>>> name in the top tube, which is kinda cool, to keep the legacy going >>>>>>>>>> for him. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now the details. The bike is an early model. Based on the serial >>>>>>>>>> (JS0030) and the JB in the chain stay, it's a Joe Starck /Joe Bell >>>>>>>>>> combo >>>>>>>>>> from 2000. It's also number 30. 30 what? I don't know, the 30th >>>>>>>>>> All-Rounder >>>>>>>>>> ever built? Maybe. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The metallic blue paint with the cream head tube is just amazing >>>>>>>>>> even after 25 years. There are some minor blemishes and chips as you >>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>> expect from a bike that has been ridden, but it's really in top >>>>>>>>>> condition. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will probably ride it as is for a bit, but have plans to >>>>>>>>>> rebuild it. The Ultegra group with brifters isn't what I want. I >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> probably keep the drops (they say N Grand Randoneur which I assume >>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>> Nitto noodle variant) but need to see if they will work for me. I >>>>>>>>>> also plan >>>>>>>>>> to swap out the drivetrain - probably put on a NOS Ritchey Logic >>>>>>>>>> crankset >>>>>>>>>> that I have or a TA Carmina that I recently acquired paired with an >>>>>>>>>> XTR >>>>>>>>>> rapid rise RD (or maybe an OM-1?). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For tires, I'd love your thoughts. I'm thinking of RH Rat Trap >>>>>>>>>> Pass tires, unless you convince me that the Naches Pass or the >>>>>>>>>> Simworks >>>>>>>>>> Homage are a better option. I might want to keep it fendered, not >>>>>>>>>> sure... >>>>>>>>>> but these fenders won't clear a really wide tire. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, please offer your suggestions as I rethink this build. It >>>>>>>>>> won't happen until next year given my time availability and other >>>>>>>>>> projects >>>>>>>>>> in the pipeline. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As you can see my downsizing isn't going well. I think I'm up to >>>>>>>>>> 11 with the latest purchase of that time capsule brown Saluki and >>>>>>>>>> this AR. >>>>>>>>>> At some point some will have to go, but I have a feeling that the AR >>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>> keeper. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>> Max in Boston >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ede058c4-db17-4f62-91ad-93ba98718b28n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ede058c4-db17-4f62-91ad-93ba98718b28n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Patrick Moore >>>>>>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other >>>>>>>>> writing services >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> >>>> To view this discussion visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/46ccc7f3-46bf-4188-a729-2467a93adec5n%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/46ccc7f3-46bf-4188-a729-2467a93adec5n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9e41ecb0-9f3a-4964-a344-82ecae1d9a2fn%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9e41ecb0-9f3a-4964-a344-82ecae1d9a2fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/P2Dm7BSwxDU/unsubscribe >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/02167B55-E8C5-4F7E-BA13-2A70D5E6DB93%40gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/02167B55-E8C5-4F7E-BA13-2A70D5E6DB93%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> Max Faingezicht >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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