Shameless plug for the Homer Frame I'm selling. Figured adding a link here 
was better than a whole new post. 

https://slo.craigslist.org/bik/d/san-luis-obispo-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7896603465.html

On Tuesday, November 25, 2025 at 10:29:12 AM UTC-8 Isaak Oliansky wrote:

> Drew- thank you so much! It was great to review that. After posting the 
> above message, the seller got back to me having contacted Riv and learned 
> that this is the closest thing they have to a geo chart 
> <https://bikeinsights.com/bike-geometries/5b8578f548f3a30004789b21-2017-rivendell-bicycle-works-sam-hillborne-base-55?fbclid=IwY2xjawOS1E5leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFza0hQa3l4M3pHeHQzekg0c3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHjsnku07lT8dQ1Pb2VbUTKVr6npqHz-bgAPg1XS4Nuk4rFIwOh-AcZRRfgdA_aem_DzmyHxvUYsP87_4RPPifoQ>
>  
> from that era of Sam. Both together paint the picture that this is too 
> small for me, which is somewhat of a relief :) It is reasonably priced and 
> hopefully this info can motivate someone a little shorter than me to snag 
> it! 
>
> On Tuesday, November 25, 2025 at 10:00:29 AM UTC-8 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>
>> here's the pamphlet from that era, Isaak! 
>>
>>
>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Sam%20Hillborne%202014.pdf
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 25, 2025 at 12:57:08 PM UTC-5 Isaak Oliansky wrote:
>>
>>> I'm contemplating checking out that Sam, I'm only in SF one more day! I 
>>> can't find good sizing info of that generation of Sam for the life of me. 
>>> 56cm Bombadil rider, 57cm '24 Appaloosa. 85ish pbh and 6'0, wanting to run 
>>> Mr. Sam with drops. Any thoughts? I typically like a 58ish ETT for drop bar 
>>> bikes. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 25, 2025 at 9:48:10 AM UTC-8 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>>
>>>> No relation to seller, but good deal on a 55cm Sam in the bay:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7897849363.html
>>>> On Monday, November 24, 2025 at 9:26:09 AM UTC-5 matt miller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not hot deal. Mid-00s custom big boy 
>>>>> <https://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/bik/d/new-york-rivendell-full-custom-steel/7897941702.html>
>>>>>  
>>>>> for all the monies in NYC.
>>>>> A really pretty frame. Love the color.
>>>>> [image: 00u0u_6zskNUwSQGp_0ak07K_1200x900.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, November 20, 2025 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-6 
>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hot deal for a Rambouillet in Tacoma. 
>>>>>> <https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bik/d/tacoma-rivendell-rambouillet/7896800417.html>
>>>>>>  So 
>>>>>> many tall riders in this world!
>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 19, 2025 at 8:42:46 AM UTC-8 Tom Goodmann 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Congratulations, Max! Glad this grail bike went to someone here. 
>>>>>>> (But I still wish I'd been alert enough to see it!). Looking forward to 
>>>>>>> whatever you might share of the bike.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>> Madison, WI
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 19, 2025 at 10:22:05 AM UTC-6 
>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So covetous of that AR, but I'm stoked someone here picked it up! 
>>>>>>>> Congrats, Max! It sure is a stunner. Love the bigger-size frame with 
>>>>>>>> 26" 
>>>>>>>> wheels.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>> Lexington KY
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 11:15 AM maxcr <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Guilty, 🙋 I got the AR from eBay... I couldn't pass the 
>>>>>>>>> opportunity to get what for me is a grail bike. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was semi local, so I picked it up last night and it's stunning 
>>>>>>>>> - it has certainly been used, but I love that. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll start a thread with more details.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 18, 2025 at 4:06:39 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did someone on the list score that 2000 All Rounder that was on 
>>>>>>>>>> eBay earlier today?! https://www.ebay.com/itm/177586781595
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 13, 2025 at 8:55:13 PM UTC-6 
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Reasonably priced...
>>>>>>>>>>> 58CM Rivendell Rambouillet, toyo made classic - $1,300 (San 
>>>>>>>>>>> Francisco)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-58cm-rivendell/7895366862.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [image: 00101_GJozoc5C6e_0t20CI_1200x900.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 12 November 2025 at 08:29:41 UTC-8 
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm selling a beautiful mauve Rivendell Road in Oakland: 
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-road/7889792667.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> hmu if you're interested or have questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 7:48 AM Christopher Young <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet another nice looking Clem in too small a size for me...and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this one is in NM!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lascruces.craigslist.org/bik/d/tyrone-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-bicycle/7889979449.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This looks like a great deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ABQ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 11, 2025 at 8:53:37 PM UTC-7 Danny wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This one has been sitting on marketplace for a while. No 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation to seller.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: 565828137_1514743826524306_5816045031896081385_n.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 63 CM Toyo/Waterford? Rivendell A Homer Hilsen Frameset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kildeer, IL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $750
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/680394757948816
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 11, 2025 at 8:04:27 PM UTC-6 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: 577178816_2289798254851595_7667091625105435159_n.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clem L
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 52cm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leesburg, VA 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $1,995
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2042532603159109
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 11, 2025 at 5:02:24 PM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great deal on a XL Susie 59cm in Eugene OR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-rivendell-xl-susie-longbolt/7894954721.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 6, 2025 at 10:19:18 AM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very decked out 50cm Roadini in Santa Monica, CA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/share/1CMWr33tRr/?mibextid=wwXIfr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 4:05 PM Guy Jett <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I LOVE seeing the Brooks saddle mounted with the clamp 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AHEAD of the seatpost. Personally it's because I now know 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not the only 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one who has done this. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bought my '74 Raleigh Competition in about 1976 as my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first serious bike. It's a little too large in the top tube 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so this was my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still have the bike after all these years though lots of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes, mostly in the spirit of the original components 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (tl/dr follows) --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original TA 3-pin crank replaced by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   TA Cyclotourist (49-44-26)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   half- step+granny for touring; 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Huret Jubilee rear mech 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   with a Huret Duo-Par; 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Huret down tube shifters with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Shimano bar-ends;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 700c tubulars with 27-inch 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   clinchers; 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hubs and bottom bracket with early 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Phil Wood units; 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original Normandy freewheel 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   with a Regina, then the current Sun 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Tour Ultra 6; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An original model Blackburn rear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   rack. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, yes, I'm still running the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   original Huret Jubilee front mech!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GAJett
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2025, 11:28 AM matt miller <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Speaking of beautiful orange paint jobs (from Joe Bell), 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> albeit from a sparse FB profile:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/share/1DLsP7hCKo/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 570076065_1727655421251520_1937958512801350314_n.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 4, 2025 at 1:09:55 PM UTC-6 matt 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing that Roadeo. That rust color sure is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The owner posted on a Riv FB last month, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jump-started my Roadeo curiosity. He didn't post price at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told me $1600 with the Grand Cru brakset. The photos this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time are much 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better because it looked red before. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was confused on sizing because I thought it was a 61" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is what he told me), but the invoice in the link 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says 63". 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 4, 2025 at 11:01:17 AM UTC-6 Jamie 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beautiful Rodeo in NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1791722254828234/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ae0f0c688-feb4-4b57-a671-96b525ee5494
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Product photo of Rivendell "Roadeo" frame 61cm 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> center to center] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 4, 2025 at 11:31:18 AM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Hallerman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell Rambouillet. Upstate New York. Lots of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details. No connection with the seller.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Hallerman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Western Massachusetts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/bik/d/chatham-rivendell-rambouillet-touring/7885348135.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 11:24 AM Josh C <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That seller is quite proud of that little Clem at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $2500...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 4, 2025 at 11:12:16 AM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe this has been listed previously, but there's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a nice looking Riv Road bike in NorCal. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1508174813750695/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A09962b7c-9926-4f7c-b28e-416cf9ffe061
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 4, 2025 at 3:44:47 AM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kim H. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell Clem Smith Jr Mustard 52 H - $2,500 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Seattle)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-mustard/7888804001.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 1, 2025 at 9:55:35 AM UTC-7 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone has a way to contact her, please let me 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2025 at 9:52 AM Brian Turner <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AT serial is definitely Toyo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2025, at 12:35 PM, Pat McCullar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at the serial number again, I'm 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing it isn't SNA10162, as listed in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting, but probably "sn AT0162".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would fit with the normal Atlantis s/n 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scheme and also be early enough to have the chain 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hanger feature. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not important, really, but it was bugging me. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 1, 2025 at 9:11:24 AM 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-7 Pat McCullar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's legit, then the Atlantis is a very good 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deal, too. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Warning: unnecessary pedantic detail>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you look closely at this photo, you can see 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that there is a chain hanger braze-on on the drive 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side chain stay. I don't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know when that feature was deleted, but it's the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sign of a fairly early 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atlantis.  My previous 53cm Atlantis (s/n AT0748) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did not have this feature 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I was surprised to find that my current 56cm 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atlantis (s/n AT0040) does 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 569486689_846530197958053_4003840426476959792_n.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 31, 2025 at 7:01:46 PM UTC-7 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She sold a 62cm Betty Foy for $600, someone 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scored a great deal there. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1157428312497448/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2025 at 7:55 PM dylan green <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've tried messaging with the seller and it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says "unavailable" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2025 at 5:46 PM Pat McCullar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though, the front rack does look like one of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 31, 2025 at 5:44:33 PM 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-7 Pat McCullar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is SNA10162 supposed to be the serial 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number? I've had 2 Toyo Atlantii and the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serial numbers were both ATXXXX.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, built up by Bruce Gordon? Is the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seller trolling us? (Funny, if so) Bruce was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather critical of Rivendell 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even before the Atlantis was introduced. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce even had a picnic table outside of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his shop in Petaluma that was supported with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old Bridgestone frames that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had been welded up. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not aware of any relationship between 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the two firms. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, in total fairness, the one time I met 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him was pleasant and interesting and I've 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been glad I went. The curmudgeon was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not in. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 31, 2025 at 4:10:37 PM 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For any sizable purchase these days, I'm 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking to see the item on FaceTime, just like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dylan. That way, I at least 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know they own the item they are selling. You 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still lose somehow, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less likely. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 31, 2025 at 5:15:02 PM 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's good to hear...the legit part I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean. I had an issue with a Rambouillet 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seller a few months ago. Proved to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be legit, but up until I asked for a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facetime, I was convinced it was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2025 at 1:55 PM maxcr <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No connection here, but it seems legit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to me: there's an obituary 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.yandaandsonfuneralhome.com/obituary/fenton-ramey>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a person with that last name and a wife 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> named Linda who seems to be the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seller.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It reads: "toured with the Oklahoma 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bicycle Society."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck to any potential buyer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 31, 2025 at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4:33:24 PM UTC-4 Brendan Willard in SF 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seller has a bunch of bikes and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frames all sized for the same person, one 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even has their name (Ramey) on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.  They're also often in the same 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garage.  So is this a sell off of an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aging or possibly deceased collector?  Or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a screen grab/scam of someone 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?? Very thorough, if so.  I'd love to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 31, 2025 at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:08:02 PM UTC-7 matt miller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah. I didn't notice the seller's bio 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before posting. RUN AWAY! Or drive to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yukon, Oklahoma, and let us know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 31, 2025 at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2:42:49 PM UTC-5 [email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks sketchy as hell! Proceed with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caution. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2025, at 11:16 AM, dylan 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> green <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember this Atlantis from Ebay a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple years ago. I think it was up for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over a year and the owner told me 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it sold (in this condition). I'd think a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buyer at the time would have at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least found a rear wheel, and put a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saddle on it. Maybe potential buyer 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beware? who knows. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 31, 2025 at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11:01:06 AM UTC-7 matt miller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Interesting" Atlantis with Moots 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seatpost and one wheel in Oklahoma. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Says it is a 56.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/share/1KpsDQi9h7/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 568209551_776273052074423_7665403411364763039_n.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 4, 2025 at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5:22:31 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clem Smith H
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 52cm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> San Rafael, CA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/san-anselmo-rivendell-clem-build/7886309186.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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