Given the dialog on this thread I'd ask have you ever considered using 
"dirt drop" bars instead of either flat, full drop, or swept-back bars?  
You might find them to be the ideal compromise you're looking for in both 
reach and height.

On Sunday, December 21, 2025 at 12:03:13 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:

> Hi Franco,
>
> Re your question on riding Albatache flipped:  I did so when I first put 
> them on my Ram, as my instinct is to have bars rise and not knowing they 
> were designed with a slight drop.  They felt and looked great.  I've since 
> flipped them to have a slight drop, to ride them as Grant had designed.  
> Give them a try (both ways), it's my current favorite bar for the Ram.  
>
> Victor
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 21, 2025 at 8:09:39 AM UTC-8 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Thanks Joe - which flat bars should I try? Riv is sold out of albatross. 
>> They have albastache and billie. Albastach seem to have a drop to them. 
>> Wonder if I can flip them so they rise instead?
>>
>> franco rinaldi
>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2025, at 11:03 AM, Joe Bernard <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Franco,
>>
>> If you can fit a flat bar into the current stem I'd start there since the 
>> reach is too long with the drops. In the olden times most drop bars used a 
>> 26.0 clamp and flats 25.4, if you have a 26.0-clamp stem you'll need a shim 
>> for the new bar. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> Clearlake CA 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 21, 2025 at 6:15:15 AM UTC-8 franco rinaldi wrote:
>>
>>> Hello and merry holidays! 
>>>
>>> After struggling with bike fit and getting fitted, it’s apparent to me 
>>> I’m more ideally built for shorter reach situations. So I will be 
>>> converting my roadini to a flat bar set up. 
>>>
>>> Anyone out there running their roadini without drops - what bars are you 
>>> using and how much stem adjustment did they require? 
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance! 
>>>
>>> Franco Rinaldi 
>>> c: 646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
>>>
>>> -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
>>
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