>From what I read somewhere (correct me if I'm wrong) this last line of
Sam's, including mine, ALL have Taiwanese forks, even the Waterfords.
Fame was made at Waterford, fork Taiwan.  Whatever, I love it.

Now I've side tracked the subject from Atlantis to Sam & from Toyo to
Taiwan.

On Jan 23, 9:43 pm, James Warren <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well, I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something along the lines 
> of Toyo's fork curve being a home run while the curve done by Taiwan is a 
> solid double.
>
> Puts the Taiwan product in a more positive light, which it deserves. (New 
> Hillborne owner talking here!) We're talking about different levels of 
> greatness. My Hillborne is a Taiwanese. I also own a Waterford-made AHH  a 
> Toyo-made Atlantis and I wouldn't advise anyone against getting the one made 
> in Taiwan.
>
> On Jan 23, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Bob wrote:
>
> > Grant has emphasized the special qualities of the Toyo fork and how
> > such geometry could not be matched on the Taiwan Sams.  So is the
> > Waterford a match or improvement over the Toyo edition?  Also, does
> > the Waterford Atlantis have the same impressive chainstay geometry and
> > form of the Toyo?  I don't doubt the quality of the Waterford product,
> > just differences in production. Put another way, if they were standing
> > next to each other, could you tell the difference?  Is there any
> > reason for a person to prefer one over the other?
>
> > On Jan 22, 11:34 pm, Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> How does the Toyo built Atlantis differ in quality and/or geometry
> >> from the Waterford edition?  Exclude differences in braze-ons,
> >> kickstand plate and range of sizes.
>
> >> In other words, what, if anything, was gained or lost by the change in
> >> builder?
>
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