Following the Taiwan tact of this discussion, the issue of the Hunqapillar build is yet more complicated. On the Riv site, after describing the wonderous tubing used in its build, it's reported that the fame is made in Taiwan under the direction of Toyo, with the fork made by Toyo, the suppliers of the well regarded fork they provided for their Atlantis. Does this make Toyo the "A" Team, with Taiwan the backup, lower cost,and perhaps lower skill provider? Is this Toyo/ Taiwan collaboration still in place, and is Waterford contributing anything to the project? Is Waterford limited in what it can do, or do for Riv at a competitive price? Such production details tend to drift and the Riv site is not always updated in a timely fashion. I'm impressed by Riv quality and am the happy owner of a first edition green, Taiwan Sam. These are the kind of esoteric details one asks about products one cares about, and of a culture that invites them.
On Jan 24, 12:43 am, James Warren <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something along the lines > of Toyo's fork curve being a home run while the curve done by Taiwan is a > solid double. > > Puts the Taiwan product in a more positive light, which it deserves. (New > Hillborne owner talking here!) We're talking about different levels of > greatness. My Hillborne is a Taiwanese. I also own a Waterford-made AHH a > Toyo-made Atlantis and I wouldn't advise anyone against getting the one made > in Taiwan. > > On Jan 23, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Bob wrote: > > > > > Grant has emphasized the special qualities of the Toyo fork and how > > such geometry could not be matched on the Taiwan Sams. So is the > > Waterford a match or improvement over the Toyo edition? Also, does > > the Waterford Atlantis have the same impressive chainstay geometry and > > form of the Toyo? I don't doubt the quality of the Waterford product, > > just differences in production. Put another way, if they were standing > > next to each other, could you tell the difference? Is there any > > reason for a person to prefer one over the other? > > > On Jan 22, 11:34 pm, Bob <[email protected]> wrote: > >> How does the Toyo built Atlantis differ in quality and/or geometry > >> from the Waterford edition? Exclude differences in braze-ons, > >> kickstand plate and range of sizes. > > >> In other words, what, if anything, was gained or lost by the change in > >> builder? > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
