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On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:25 PM, omnigrid <omnig...@gmail.com> wrote: > I like this abus padlock: > http://www.bikeregistry.com/estore/product_info.php?products_id=55&osCsid=832d37331810725de9d718c1f60aefb0 > > the kryptonite fah mini u-lock can be had on ebay for about 60 bucks w/ > free shipping. > > > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:11 PM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Mike -- I'm by no means a security expert and, in fact, even as a >> layman I have relatively little experience because for the last 20+ >> years I've been fortunate to have been able to park my bikes in my >> offices (and now, I work from home). So I'm really playing this by the >> seat of my pants (that may be a grossly mixed metaphor -- hear out of >> my ass? Anyway ...) but for my purpose -- short term parking of >> expensive, custom Riv outside well trafficked grocery store in decent >> area, for example -- it ought to be very adequate and it is cheaper >> than buying a Krypto mini. >> >> I suppose you could smash the padlock with a sledgehammer, but in use >> I think the ensemble would hang off the downtube, held in place by the >> relatively tight link it makes between downtube and whatever post I >> use, so that a thief could not get a good blow in, even if he had the >> privacy to do so. >> >> I expect a Sawzall could get through the chain, but again, with a lot >> of noise, the need for a second person to hold the chain steady, and >> at least more time than required to slice through a U with a bolt >> cutter. But then a Sawzall could get thru any lock with the right >> postioning, no? >> >> I expect it is as good as the Krypto Mini 5 which K says is "the >> choice of bike messengers) and goes for about $50; is it as good as >> the K NY "Fuggedaboutit" mini, which one site claimed withstood the >> leverage of 25+ stone of two guys hanging off the shackle on a 4.5' >> bar and which costs over $100. >> >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mike S <mikeshalj...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Patrick, >> > >> > I am really intrigued by this method you've come up with, especially >> > after seeing that video of the "not-so magnificent 7". While I doubt >> > there are too many bicycle thieves walking around with 4-foot >> > boltcutters, it's clear your cheapo solution is better than those >> > pricey locks. >> > >> > The one concern I have is the "weak link" of that setup, which is >> > obviously the cutter-resistant padlock. Even if boltcutters can't mess >> > with that, is there another common tool that could easily break the >> > padlock? This post has made me semi-somewhat-super paranoid about >> > security for my $2500+ RIv, and I don't know what to do. >> > >> > Also, has it been confirmed that boltcutters can slice through a >> > kryptonite mini with no problem? That's what I'm using now. The "price >> > is quality" defect in my thinking says that this $27 solution couldn't >> > possible be good enough, and the $125 Abus Bordo is the best bet >> > because it's fancy German engineering. >> > >> > Obviously, every lock is vulnerable and it's really about deterrence, >> > but alas... >> > >> > On Jan 29, 12:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower >> >> market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can >> >> make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3 >> >> oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of >> the >> >> > price. >> >> >> >> > I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a >> >> > rack or pole you attach it to. >> >> >> >> > The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to >> >> > duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in >> >> > Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet >> >> > was remarkably light. >> >> >> >> > On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but >> >> >> after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20" >> >> >> length of their "towing chain" and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, >> >> >> all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, >> the >> >> >> ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around >> the >> >> >> front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to >> >> >> spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since >> >> >> there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few >> >> >> inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) >> >> >> >> >> The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most >> of >> >> >> the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to >> finish >> >> >> the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters >> >> >> >> >> <michael.richt...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE < >> bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder >> -- he >> >> >> >> claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone >> tell me >> >> >> >> how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up >> to >> >> >> >> thievery? >> >> >> >> >> > There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure >> your chain is: >> >> >> >> >> >http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ >> >> >> >> >> > They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly >> impressive. >> >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> >> >> > To post to this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> >> >> > For more options, visit this group athttp:// >> groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Patrick Moore >> >> >> Albuquerque, NM >> >> >> For professional resumes, contact >> >> >> Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> CHAIN LOCK.jpg >> >> >> 56KViewDownload >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> >> > To post to this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> >> > For more options, visit this group athttp:// >> groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Patrick Moore >> >> Albuquerque, NM >> >> For professional resumes, contact >> >> Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> > For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Patrick Moore >> Albuquerque, NM >> For professional resumes, contact >> Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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