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On Feb 20, 2011, at 10:34 PM, EricP <[email protected]> wrote:

> Does the stubby fit a larger head?  Would get one, but in my last
> conversation with Rivendell they didn't believe it would fit.  Ended
> up with an AHH hat that fits well although it rides "high" on my head.
> 
> For stubby bill caps, nothing comes close to my Filson waxed cotton
> cap.
> 
> As to other items - own almost all except the poncho.  (Okay, the
> Splats are my wife's).  Either I'm an easy mark, or these items fill a
> need I can't find someplace else.
> 
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
> 
> On Feb 20, 5:40 pm, Mojo <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I will third the cotton stubby hat. I throw it in a bag for
>> emergencies, like sun/rain/bugs in my eyes. Keeps the sun off my
>> 'solar sex panel' (John Hiatt lyrics). Great even for those spring-
>> like ski days. Other Riv hats just don't fit my 7 3/4" head.
>> 
>> And I love my Brand V Grab Sack. Its my man purse.  What ugly badge is
>> Earl talking about? I don't even notice.
>> 
>> On Feb 20, 12:49 pm, Dan Abelson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I am a big fan of the cotton stubby.
>>> I like the look of the short bill. While the price is a bit high I think it
>>> is worth it.
>> 
>>> Dan Abelson
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2011 10:37 AM, "Earl Grey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Interesting post. Here are my personal reasons for the underselling
>>>> items :)
>> 
>>>> Brand V Grab Sack:
>> 
>>>> I have a Swiss Army gasmask bag that is very similar, albeit a bit
>>>> more narrow and taller, and uses a metal button closure. Love that
>>>> bag, take it everywhere. So the basic concept is sound, I think,
>>>> though perhaps we are all too attached to bags that attach to the
>>>> bike. My reason for NOT considering it? May seem snobbish, but I think
>>>> the Brand V logo patch is UGLY. The graphic design does not complement
>>>> the bag design at all. The fact that the RBW logo is so lovely makes
>>>> the Brand V logo even more of a crime. But actually it's the colors
>>>> that really get to me. Can't think of colors that would clash more
>>>> with the lovely tan and olive of the bag.
>> 
>>>> An aside: The MUSA logo is terrible as well, mostly because it's way
>>>> too big. I do like the Sackville logo. But I bet you if all those
>>>> items simply sported some variant of the Rivendell logo, not only
>>>> would they sell better, they would also help sell more bikes. While we
>>>> are at it, while I love (most of) the model-specific head badges, I
>>>> think Rivendell is doing itself a disservice here as well, by
>>>> incurring additional cost, and missing a blatant opportunity to
>>>> strengthen the Rivendell brand (you really have to examine my
>>>> Hillborne in detail to find our who makes it). I know, I don't like
>>>> marketing either, but it's such an easy opportunity to get the
>>>> Rivendell message out to more people. Just use the lovely Rivendell
>>>> logo you have on all your in-house designed products, and don't waste
>>>> your time creating more and more brands (with ugly logos) that most
>>>> people cannot connect with Rivendell.
>> 
>>>> Windshield:
>> 
>>>> Again, color. Yes, safety is good, but there are other ways to be seen
>>>> from the front. If I lived in a colder climate and it came in an
>>>> interesting shade of green, or a dark grey, I'd get one.
>> 
>>>> Stubby Bill caps:
>> 
>>>> I have the wool stubby, and LOVE it. I think the problem here is that
>>>> Riv has a bunch of nice cotton hats at half the price, and that the
>>>> woolly one is the same price as the cotton stubby. Most folks expect
>>>> to pay less for cotton than for wool.
>> 
>>>> Note Cards:
>> 
>>>> Well, I have to admit it's been a long time since I wrote a card that
>>>> wasn't for my wife, and she isn't into bikes that much. Maybe that's
>>>> the problem: Perhaps Riv owners still write cards, but do we write
>>>> them to our bike buddies? We either see them regularly on rides, or we
>>>> communicate on the computer through this group and others.
>> 
>>>> Ponchos:
>> 
>>>> Once again, color. Admittedly bright color in a rain poncho is more
>>>> important than in a wind shirt, but I have never been a fan of primary
>>>> colors. I much prefer the orange of the rain pants for the poncho (I
>>>> know, you probably can't get that fabric in orange), and would prefer
>>>> the rain pants in black, cause pants get dirty and light colored ones
>>>> will look yucky. A bright top should be enough to be seen, no? And
>>>> yeah, considering the price of the breathable MUSA rain pants, the
>>>> poncho seems a bit over-priced.
>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>> 
>>>> Gernot
>> 
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