I weight 180 lb, and own a Champion Flyer and a B66 (original double
railed version of a B67).  I have not ridden the B66 extensively as I
find it's too wide for my riding style.  I have quite a few miles on
the Flyer, which I have modified thusly:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/15750548@N04/3291263207/in/set-72157614095230958/

Why the cutout is probably self-explanatory.  Without the hole I
couldn't ride that saddle long without inducing pain.  With the
central pressure duly relieved, I find the Flyer quite comfortable.
The springs do take the edge off of small bumps.  It does not bottom
on rough roads, but big bumps off-road can compress the springs enough
to try to launch me off of the saddle.  That can be a little
disconcerting.  I've had no trouble with the frames on either sprung
or unsprung Brookses.

If you liked the shape of the B68, a sprung one might work well for
you.  I am looking to sell my B66 (along with a Seat Sandwich that
allows it to be used on standard one-bolt seatposts).  Contact me off
list if you're interested.

BTW, if you have enough seatpost exposed, a Carradice SQR should let
you use any traditional saddlebag regardless of your saddle.

Bill

On Jul 18, 12:51 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hi, all!
>
> I've been debating whether or not to get a Brooks B-67 (which I believe RBW
> does sell) or a B-72 or Flyer (which I believe RBW doesn't sell). The B-67
> and B-72 are are both 210mm wide; the difference is the spring style
> (standard coil on the B-67, some loop-ity loop arrangement on the B-72). The
> Flyer is 170mm wide; it is basically a sprung B-17. I'm not (yet) interested
> in the front-and-rear sprung contraptions such as the B-33/B-190/B-135 or
> whatever else they have out there.... though I have a friend who gave
> thought to a black B-33 for his folding bike to establish a "steam punk"
> motif. I liked that idea.
>
> I have used a B-68 (basically a B-67 without springs) in the past. It did
> not work out well. It was somewhat wider than ideal to begin with. But that
> was not such a big deal as it "broke in". In fact, it was superbly
> comfortable for a while (maybe 1,000 miles or so). However, eventually it
> broke completely; my heft (245# and riding very upright) and the width of
> the saddle combined to lever the sides of the back of the frame (outside the
> vertical rail attachments) downward a bit too far. One side eventually
> broke. Just before it broke, I had probably turned the saddle into a
> 190mm-wide saddle, as opposed to its original ~210mm.
>
> I have used a B-17 and like it fine. It is not as comfortable as the B-68
> was at its best. But I can ride it 50+ miles without giving it a second
> thought. So it's okay.... I'm just wondering whether more comfort is
> practical with the sprung saddles.
>
> My questions, for those of you who are large-ish (or, if you prefer, "have a
> friend" who is large-ish :)) and who have put 100+ miles on a wider Brooks
> sprung saddle: What kind of saddle is it? What sort of payload does it
> carry? (I assume every pound over your ideal body weight is in fact in the
> backpack you wear on every ride.) Does the spring "give" enough to bottom
> out on trails or rough-ish roads? Do you have problems with the unsupported
> outer part of the frame creeping downwards? (I'm wondering whether the
> spring-y-ness reduces fatigue on the frame so that it might not completely
> give way in only a couple thousand miles.)
>
> For those of you who put substantial mileage on any sprung Brooks saddle...
> Again, what model? Do the springs generally feel "dynamic" or "static"...
> that is, do they move significantly/continuously over uneven terrain? Or do
> they mostly serve to take the edge off of rough roads without much bouncing
> about? Are the springs noisy in a way that can't be address with a little
> oil/grease?
>
> Lastly, and this is a somewhat forlorn hope... has anyone successfully used
> a saddle-bag "quick-release" of any kind with any sprung Brooks saddle? I
> can't see how the RBW-sold Nitto bag quick-release would work... but perhaps
> there's some way I don't perceive for it or some other brand to be made
> useful?
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
> who also is liking the idea of the new Brooks "Select" line of saddles

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