This topic is always kinda fun in that we see both ends of the bell
curve.  My hat's off to the person who can tour comfortably with 15
lbs of gear (not much to lose there!) and also to anyone who can haul
80 or 100 lbs of stuff up long hills.  It's just like any other kind
of travel.  Some people can circle the planet with the contents of a
shoulder bag while others need a large suitcase for a weekend.  Bike
touring is all about going new places & the people you meet, so
hopefully the bike & gear sorta fade into the background & just become
useful appliances.  It certainly doesn't take an Atlantis to have a
successful tour, but it's sure a nice way to travel.

dougP "sometimes 2 bags, other times 4 bags"

On Sep 22, 3:25 pm, Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> >> I remember reading one report where a guy described climbing up an Alpine 
> >> road, fully loaded, in a bit over 5 hours.  I got up that same col in 1 
> >> 1/4 hours.  Maybe he had four times as much fun as I did, I don't know.
>
> > Roughly speaking, hill climbing speed is proportional to total weight,
> > for a given person.
>
> Sort of.  But that's not apples and apples, since the time difference is from 
> the report of two different people.
>
> > But are you claiming that this dude's total
> > weight, which is to say him, his bike and everything he was carrying
> > on the bike, was four times as much as what you carry? That is, if
> > your total weight of yourself, your bike and your gear is, say, 200
> > pounds, this dude was carrying 800 pounds?
>
> In his report he noted he was carrying 80 lbs of gear plus him and his bike.  
> I don't know what he or the bike weighed.  I was carrying less than 15 lbs of 
> gear and weighed 207 lbs plus a 25 lb bicycle.  He said it took him a bit 
> over five hours, I have to take him at is word on that.  I timed my ride 
> using my cyclocomputer.  You'll have to take my word on that.
>
> > I don't think you're saying that. I think you are a fast cyclist, and
> > this other dude was a slower cyclist. I think even if you switched
> > bikes, you'd still beat him. So why are you harping on weight?
>
> Hmm, since I'm not "harping" on weight I think I struck some kind of nerve in 
> this group.  The defensiveness is amazing.
>
> Anyway, since I have no wish to prolong needless conflict in a very pleasant 
> mailing list, I am over an out on this.  Haul whatever you like, as I have 
> said several times already.  You're the one who's got to pedal it up the 
> hill, not me.

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