I like bikes that ride differently. I like my front loader, I like my Saluki, I love my Riv custom. Not one of them rides like the other. All of then are fun. Shoot, I even like my Madone though I haven't ridden it in more than a year. For me it's a gestalt thing (to steal an R.Sach's perspective). -JimD On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Kelly Sleeper wrote:
> > It really isn't low trail against every other trail. Yet you couldn't tell > that from this thread. Down the line there are nothing but excuses and > defiance of the experience of others. > > Many say their bikes ride great with medium to high trail and have no issues > with front loads... Oh that's because you don't know ... > > The low trail (extra low) road bad at low speeds and bad at high speeds but I > got used to it. > > The high trail is unnoticeable with front load... low trail folks yell... but > if you ride low trail bike it's much better you just don't know it because > you are used to it. > > Sheesh sounds like politicians.. no matter what low trail is the only way to > go... now it's ohhhhhh saddle bags and rear loads are bad too.. if loose and > you are sprinting, climbing blah blah and throwing the bike side to side ... > throw a loose load on the front and throw the bike side to side... hell put > a big loose load anywhere and throw it side to side... ohhh wait you'll get > used to it. > > Kinda of reminds me of the cheating husband to his wife... "are you going to > believe me or your lying eyes" > > The truth is some people prefer the handling of low trail bike and others > medium and other high and some in-between... some want to take the way they > ride and tweak trail, weight load, handlebar height, stem length, body > weight, arm length, shoe size, and run formulas. Then there is a new racers > (oh sorry randonneurs) routine to ride a bike... weight front bag, banana, > nuts, rain coat... place 2 lbs packages at 10 mile intervals incase it rains > and I need to replace weight of rain gear in front rack along the way.. > (after all optimal performance on this bike is with 12.7779076 lbs front) > Get the air pressure to exactly 40.1155576 lbs (new electronic air > monitoring for tires will be out next year to update your home computer that > will send snmp traps to you via email in case of fluctuation about 2.3357%) > Ok... check.. I can ride my bike now and carve turns and feel like a really > good race bike.... > > No Thank You.. I purchased a Rivendell as it handles front loads, rear loads, > front and rear loads and doesn't need a load to feel great.. I check the > tires once a week.. and carry what I need as an all around bicycle... I > change handle bars, tires, bags etc often .. then join a Rivendell Owners > group on the web to discuss and explore the wonderful uses of it.. only to > have to defend not the bike but my own experience as someone else decides > unilaterally that since they don't feel the same way I'm wrong... and no > evidence from anyone is valid...they are just used to it and don't know. > > I'm sarcastic blunt and things make sense or they don't. Low trail sounds > great the way Jan did it .. built the bike to be a performance (race machine) > for a specific purpose.. He loves it. The bikes are beautiful and I'm sure > they ride great and people get used to them just as "Most" bikes ride > wonderfully and people get used to them. After all they are bicycles.... > After all from the vast difference of experiences and not just opinions it's > obvious that it's not "just a trail thing". It's also true that there are > trade offs in bike design. It may be true that low trail bikes with xyz > handle a front load of x better than bike z with x amount of load at frame > size k rider weight L and front to rear load weight M under N amount of > power. It's not the answer to all loads though and writing off others > experience is just tiring at best. > > Don't tell low trail bike owners they have a nice bike either... they know it > already.. you were just to dumb to figure it out as quickly as they did. > Guess we only need one bike geometry after all. > > FYI: this is not a personal attack on anyone no matter how much you may want > to try and feel it is. Also no single sentence by itself above stands > alone.. overall this is just stating in a sarcastic but honest statement of > opinion based perceptions.. so far in this thread and others. It also goes > back to my original notice to the original poster that I disagree with the > instant assertion that front loads are bad for all but bike X because your > bike can't handle it BS! Mine and others experience and knowledge of how > our bikes handle are just as valid as others opinions. I don't argue or > believe my bike is better than yours except for me, that is the same respect > I expect / demand from you. If not I am sarcastic enough and a big enough > asshole to be as obnoxious and oblivious to the truth as anyone just not as > eloquent. > > Your friendly bear in the china shop > > Kelly > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/KYrH8-T-tx4J. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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