The Rawland rSogn (650B) is quite different from any Surly. http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detail&intItemID=3953 With 8/5/8 standard-diameter tubing I think the frame is lighter and flexier than most other production steel bikes including Rivs. They are also coming out with a 700C bike this year, also with lightweight standard-diameter tubing and low trail geometry.
- David On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM, cyclotourist <[email protected]> wrote: > I always considered them to by chunky mountain bikey, sort of like a > 650b Karate Monkey. Will give 'em a look! > > On 2/18/12, Stonehog <[email protected]> wrote: >> Take a look at Rawland. Frames are around $700, but they fit wide tires, use >> light steel tubing, and are built for comfort. You may be able to get them >> on special occasionally in the $500 range, too. >> >> Mobile Brian Hanson >> >> On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:42 AM, cyclotourist <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Peter M: Yeah, I get that, and don't think that's the answer. I'm not >>> looking for a low-end Rivendell, but an other brand that has the >>> qualities of a Riv but for around $500. Springy steel (not light >>> touring) tig w/ all the Riv features (as above). I don't need a $2, $3 >>> or $4,000 bike, but one for around $1K or a $500 frameset would be >>> awesome to have. I'd buy that but I'm not going to buy a new Soma bike >>> or a Sam. Those are too nice and too much $$$ for what I'm thinking >>> of. Something to compete w/ the 80's Trek, Univegas, Nishikis, etc >>> that started this conversation. Why get an old bike, powdercoat it, >>> put money into rebuilding it w/ modern parts and still not have it fit >>> the tire you want and then worry about the head tube or BB cracking. >>> Something off the shelf that does everything I/we need it to at a >>> Surly/Salsa price. >>> >>> Jay in TA: Yes, that's definitely the closest out there, but not quite >>> it. Something between that and a Surly Pacer. No cantis, and with >>> vertical drop outs. If Salsa did that, I'd have a new bike! See, >>> they're almost there, but not quite. The previous Casseroll was more >>> like it, but it had that ugly fork and too slopey of a TT. But I could >>> get over those and would prefer them to cantis/horizontal. I'm semi-on >>> the look out for one as it is. >>> >>> /rant >>> >>> On 2/18/12, Jay in Tel Aviv <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that >>>> description quite well, >>>> albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. >>>> >>>> I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up >>>> getting this summer. >>>> FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend >>>> what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a >>>> tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. >>>> Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot >>>> less $. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jay >>>> >>>> On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a >>>>> Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat >>>>> tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, >>>>> Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country >>>>> bike. >>>>> Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded >>>>> frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm >>>>> brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/18/12, trek610 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful >>>>>> selection >>>>>> in components. >>>>> >>>>>> Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> David >>>>> Redlands, CA >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> David >>> Redlands, CA >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
