If the best you can do is not resist the upstroke while spinning on a descent, how can you possibly pull up while climbing a hill?
On Jul 24, 10:24 am, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > When I climb those steep hills, I am very aware of pulling up quite > hard to gain extra torque, something I can't do as well with clips and > straps. I can feel the bike accelerate when pulling hard. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > When I rode fixie for a long time I used the clipless system because I knew > > my foot wasnt going to come off down a descent and stick my leg into an MKS > > eggbeater. I always found that when climbing though clipless seemed like > > they limited how much i could stand up and just hammer on the pedals. I > > never thought upstroke was really more than hogwash, long before reading > > about grant's stuff. I lifted weights when I was wrestling and woudl do an > > exercise that looked alot like a back stroke on a bike and it made my legs > > burn and I had little power, I just dont think it is one that utilizes the > > big muscles in your legs the right way. Legs are made for pushing, not > > really for pulling. > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Bertin753 <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Actually, foot retention does help when grinding a fixed 70 -- 75" gear up > >> a steep hill. You can't do it for long -- half a mile, say -- but it > >> certainly helps. One reason I went back to clipless was that I kept pulling > >> my feet out of the straps when climbing > > >> Patrick Moore > >> iPhone > > >> On Jul 23, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > > >> My favorite comment of all was > > >> "Mike In Bklyn from Brooklyn > > >> Boy there was a lot of misleading info in this segment. > > >> On clips and pulling up on the pedals-- anyone who tries to pedal a bike > >> out of the saddle comes quickly to appreciate clips. And I don't know what > >> kind of riding this quy has done, but he should try climbing a 9% grade > >> hill > >> and then tell me whether could do so without pulling up on pedals" Take > >> that grant, i bet he is always just wishing he had those clipless pedals up > >> Mt Diablo, since as another guy said the ones without clips ruin our knees. > >> What a bunch of mouth breathers, this is why bikesnob has just been able to > >> eviscerate the culture around bikes, it can just get so silly. And while it > >> is a shame not everyone can afford a Rivendell that doesnt make them out of > >> reach, I mean these people should think about how much money they piss away > >> on cars and gas, you will make your money back pretty fast. > > >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> I'm in full support of not riding with a helmet if that's what you > >>> choose, but stories from old guys who made it through their youths without > >>> them are easy to come by from the ones who actually made it, 'cause, ya > >>> know, we made it! I crashed a goodly number of times on my old Stingrays > >>> and > >>> 10-speeds, and banged my head hard a few times. I'm lucky I got away with > >>> it, and usually wear a helmet now. > > >>> Joe Bernard > >>> Vallejo, CA. > > >>> On Monday, July 23, 2012 8:31:38 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote: > > >>>> Great job Grant..........in such a limited format.....don't let some of > >>>> doz guyz get ya down. Controversy always gets attention. Its just too bad > >>>> many still believe the common misconceptions you often speak of. I used > >>>> to > >>>> think many of things you speak about were necessary (clipless pedals, > >>>> cycling specific clothing, helmets all that stuff) until I actually > >>>> thought > >>>> about it critically and remembered my youth and all the riding we did > >>>> without any of that stuff. I actually did ride a bicycle like most of the > >>>> rest of the world did and still does with.........no helmet, no special > >>>> 'kit', no special shoes, bars actually higher than my saddle, wider tires > >>>> and no emphasis on riding all bent over like a professional racer. Those > >>>> were some of the best bicycling years of my life.....and I didn't die > >>>> (thankfully) from not wearing a helmet even though I crashed more than > >>>> once. > > >>>> On Monday, July 23, 2012 12:03:20 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: > > >>>>> Good discussion, comments on the bottom of the page prove what an > >>>>> asshole place NYC is to live.... > > >>>>>http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/2012/jul/23/bicycling-101/?utm_source=fe... > > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >>> To view this discussion on the web visit > >>>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vyCfIaWKJXwJ. > > >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > "When in Rome, do as they done in Milledgeville." > > Flannery O'Connor > > ------------------------- > Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA > For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, > ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html > ------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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