If you are looking for the 4 pannier setup I would look at the Atlantis and 
the Hilborne.  Good sales going on those currently.  The A Homer Hilsen 
will also fill the bill though not as well in the heavily loaded areas in 
my opinion.   

The Atlantis is Canti and the Hilborne is side pull.  I just put a Hilborne 
together with a friend and it's a beautiful bike 

Kelly

On Thursday, December 27, 2012 1:59:13 PM UTC-6, sebseb wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
> I am a new member and would like to say hello and ask for a first advice 
> at the same time. I just found your group as I was doing some research to 
> replace my japanese touring frame which I lost in an accident some time 
> ago. I found the mid 80's frame which I had very well adapted to my needs, 
> a 28' wheeled "sports-tourer" with room for up to 32mm tires (with 
> fenders), long enough chainstays to have fenders and carry luggage on racks 
>  but still with side pull-brakes (47-57 reach) and double crankset, the 
> fork even with eyelets for lowrider though I never used them. Besides doing 
> all my commutes with it I also travelled a lot on it, always with just two 
> panniers and a handlebar bag. I did a lot of brevets and several week-long 
> tours (with camping gear) with that frame, and though not the lightest and 
> maybe a little on the "flexy" side there was nothing really to complain 
> about. Since the accident I try to find something similar and Rivendell has 
> made some bikes in the past that seem to be what i am looking for, or at 
> least come very close to what I search for. As I hope to find amongst you 
> the real connaiseurs of this brand I would like to know which of the 
> Rivendell frames (also former ones) comes closest to my demands in your 
> opinion so that I can look for an occasion to try to find one in my size 
> (PBH 84cm). While in the current lineup I am not so shure there is such a 
> model, the older Rambouillet seemed to me "the role model" although I am 
> not shure if there is enough heel clearance to have larger panniers and two 
> eyelets would also be nicer at the rear  and front drop out? Has anybody 
> experiences with that kind of luggage on a Rambouillet? I would be pleased 
> to hear some first hand knowledge and if somebody has a frame in my size 
> (~58cm for 28' wheels) he wants to part with  i would also like to know 
> about it. With my best regards and a happy new year to everybody  -sebastian
>

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