Michael,

As I think others have pointed out, there is a link to a geometry
chart for Riv's models at the bottom of the "frames" page.
If you compare the numbers for same sizes I think the rodeo has less
bb drop (i.e. higher bb), shorter chainstays, steeper seat tubes, and
less fork rake. The rodeo is designed for more moderate sized tires,
and you have the option of a theadless headset (much more common these
days). Although I have not ridden a rodeo I expect the ride and
handling are more responsive / quicker than my AHH. I doubt that a
rodeo is faster in terms of average speed or time trialling up a long
climb. At least not enough faster to notice without careful
comparison. However fast group rides with a race oriented club often
involve a very dynamic close quarters style of riding. For that kind
of riding a quicker handling bike can be a better fit. Also if you are
barely hanging onto a wheel for dear life ( or worse not quite
managing to) its easy for thoughts about a few grams or watts to prey
on your mind (even if they probably wouldn't really matter).

So my take is that the Rodeo is not so much a faster bike, as it is a
bike better suited to the style of riding that pervades race club fast
group rides.


On Jan 21, 12:54 pm, Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I am not ready to buy yet, so I don't want to waste their time on the
> > phone at this point.
> > At this point I am still going with the Hilsen when I get to buy for all
> > its eylet/braze on options, even though I am a saddle bag kinda guy and
> > don't need racks for the riding I do.
> > The Hilsen sems like the more reasonable frame for me. Plus I think it
> > looks better ;)

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