I Jim's defense if they came in cream I would give em a maybe vote. But it
seems like everything but my pay has gone up a good bit.

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I've been in the bike business since 2005. The price of everything has
> gone up significantly since then. Brooks saddle prices have more than
> doubled. Riv's frames are up 50% (based on my 2004 Atlantis that was $1300,
> now $2000). Schwalbe tires in any given model have been one of the more
> price-stable items, though they've since introduced the pricier models that
> don't have 2005-era equivalents.
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:19:05 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 14:51 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>> > Sure, tires wear out over time, while other items are less consumable,
>> > but that's kinda beside the point. For the added cost of a $2000 Riv
>> > frameset, compared to, say, a $500 Surly, you're not buying extra
>> > durability. You're buying swankiness and style and maybe some
>> > preferable ride quality characteristics, and maybe that's all worth
>> > something to you, but you're not getting extra durability, and
>> > certainly not 4x the durability.
>>
>> No, but you are getting a lifespan that's long enough to let you
>> amortize over decades.
>>
>>
>> > If durability/dollar was your only criterion, nobody would buy a Riv.
>>
>> No, but do remember, Riv specifically markets their bikes as bikes you
>> can ride for 20 years.  They're calling for you to take the long view.
>>
>>
>> >  Personally, I think good tires are among the best investments one can
>> > make on a bike. And as I mentioned before, there are plenty of less
>> > costly options. Basic Big Apples are $34.
>>
>> I agree.  And don't forget, the price of tires has gone up a lot in the
>> past 2-3 years.  23mm race tires that used to for around $40 are now
>> approaching $70.  So a $95 high end tire isn't particularly shocking,
>> as /all/ high end tires are hovering around the $100 mark.  I also fully
>> agree that you get your money's worth with high end tires.  Except for
>> winter use, that's all I use.
>>
>>
>>
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