The return of designations of function to name access points in
RDA--assuming "author" is among them--could, in theory at least, make
multiple-author displays possible (if that is desired in a particular
context).

Ed Jones

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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Citation styles and cataloguing standards

I am still not convinced that it's necessary or desirable for the
actual form of entries in the catalog to be customized for user
display.

If: 1) Each of the data elements that makes up those citation formats
is machine-addressable in the bib record, and 2) The citation format
is sufficient for a machine to follow the relationship to a
destination record, then:

The citation can be presented to the user as below. The citation can
be presented to the user in other ways, depending on context and user
community. The relationships between entities can be made navigable
in the system, and also used for analysis and calculation.

If, on the other hand, the "citation" were stored in a bib record
exactly as written below,  without being easily machine-addressable
or machine-navigable--then the citation can ONLY be presented that
way (now and forever; rather than the capability to flexibly display
as the context calls for), and the system can't easily make the
relationship recorded by the citation navigable or analyzable.

It is clear to me which situation is preferable.  If "citations are
what users see", I think this is a failing of present systems.
There's no reason that the form of data recorded in the bib record
need be the form of data presented to the users--except when the data
is not recorded in a sufficiently machine readable format, and it
leaves the system no choice.  That present systems tend to present
MARC records almost as is is a failing of current systems. We
desperately need to stop designing cataloging practice for failing
systems, because it is the design for failing systems that puts
barriers in the way of developing succesful systems, as illustrated
by the example above. It's a vicious circle.

Jonathan

At 11:20 AM +1000 10/4/06, Hal Cain wrote:
>(Posted to both Autocat and RDA-L)
>
>The Chicago Manual of Style, the preferred style guide for AACR2 and
>similarly the draft RDA, has placed a guide to its citation styles on
its
>website at http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/tools_citationguide.html
>
>Given that cataloguing and catalogues are for users, and citations (the
>RDA term for a definitive reference or name for a resource) are what
users
>se, construct and get their information from, what should we be doing
to
>narrow the gap between standard catalogue records and displays and
>instances such as the following (from the CMS page):
>
>----------
>Cowlishaw, Guy, and Robin Dunbar. Primate Conservation Biology.
Chicago:
>University of Chicago Press, 2000.
>
>Laumann, Edward O., John H. Gagnon, Robert T. Michael, and Stuart
>Michaels. The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the
>United States. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994.
>
>Lattimore, Richmond, trans. The Iliad of Homer. Chicago: University of
>Chicago Press, 1951.
>
>Kurland, Philip B., and Ralph Lerner, eds. The Founders' Constitution.
>Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987.
>http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/. Also available in print form
and
>as a CD-ROM.
>------------
>
>Hal Cain
>Joint Theological Library
>Parkville, Victoria, Australia
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