Deborah, I've been following this post with great curiosity.
I'm trying to get the full picture here. It is VERY important that people understand that this thing is a bathtub book, popup book, and etc. Are we still going to describe the fact that it is a bathtub book, board book, etc. in the 300? (If so, I am good with this scenario.) So the fact that it is a board book, popup book, etc. will be reflected in the: 300 500 and 655 I'm just wanting to be sure that I am understanding this correctly. Thoughts? Julie Moore Fresno State On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Deborah Fritz <debo...@marcofquality.com>wrote: > I agree with Mac and you that it appears that these types of *terms* will > probably be best handled by the entity ‘Object’, once that entity is > covered by RDA. In the meantime, in MARC records, they (or their official > equivalents) can go in 655, as you both say.**** > > ** ** > > The attributes of these types of materials will still need to be entered > as appropriate, e.g.:**** > > ** ** > > 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent**** > > 336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent**** > > 336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent **** > > 337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia**** > > 338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier**** > > (Resource is a children's pop-up book)**** > > ** ** > > 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent**** > > 336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent**** > > 336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent**** > > 336 ## $asounds $2rdacontent**** > > 337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia**** > > 338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier**** > > (Resource is a children's pop-up book with sound effects)**** > > ** ** > > I found the “BL Monograph WEMI Workflow” at > http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=wka700 very helpful for the > above. **** > > ** ** > > There are undoubtedly other attributes that can be entered. **** > > ** ** > > I like the idea of using the Nature of the Content for a summary of the > contents:**** > > 500 ## $aPop-up book with sound effects**** > > ** ** > > I also think it would be useful to enter the Base Material for a ‘board > book’ but I can’t figure out which of the terms under 3.6.1.3 would apply, > or what other term is actually appropriate (perhaps ‘paper over > boards’—from ONIX: > http://www.editeur.org/files/ONIX%20for%20books%20-%20code%20lists/ONIX_BookProduct_CodeLists_Issue_20.html) > **** > > ** ** > > I’d also like to enter the ‘shape’ attribute somewhere, but can’t figure > out where—Note on Dimensions of Manifestation, perhaps.**** > > ** ** > > Deborah**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > - - - - - - - - **** > > Deborah Fritz**** > > TMQ, Inc.**** > > debo...@marcofquality.com**** > > www.marcofquality.com**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Lapka, Francis > *Sent:* Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:15 AM > > *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term > like "Board book" or "Scented book"**** > > ** ** > > I agree, the “types” you describe represent at least a change of content > type (or a new Expression), and I could be persuaded that they don’t > constitute new works. As Mac suggests, the types would be logically > recorded as form/genre (MARC 655).**** > > ** ** > > Francis**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA <RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>] *On > Behalf Of *Deborah Fritz > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 08, 2013 4:46 PM > *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term > like "Board book" or "Scented book"**** > > ** ** > > Hmm, that would mean that a change in the ‘type of book’ would be at the > Work level, which would mean that the pop up version of a story would be a > different work, and I’m not sure I would think of it at that level, e.g.: > Horton Hears a Who**** > > http://www.amazon.com/Horton-Hears-Who-Dr-Seuss/dp/0394800788**** > > ** ** > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375841946/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=1535523722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0394800788&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1SAQA14BEM9500KM52VR > **** > > ** ** > > Or ‘Tails’, which appears to be available in hardcover and as a board book: > **** > > > http://www.amazon.com/Tails-Matthew-Van-Fleet/dp/0152167730/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368043414&sr=1-7&keywords=scented+books > **** > > ** ** > > But, you might have a point that some of these ‘types’ seem like different > expressions (Content Type: tactile image + Content Type: text), rather than > different manifestations (Base materials: Hardboard) or even both; so, > perhaps for some of these, I need to be thinking ‘Content’ and, in that > case, details would have to be in Nature of the Content, e.g., for Tails > (above)**** > > ** ** > > Base materials: hardboard**** > > Content Type: tactile image**** > > Content Type: text**** > > Nature of Content: Pull tabs, lift-able flaps, tufts of fur, and even a > scratch-and-sniff skunk tail**** > > ** ** > > Perhaps we may not be able to get these actual terms nicely placed in the > RDA records, until more work is done on Vocabulary Mapping. I do feel that > the more standardized we can be in using vocabulary terms instead of > free-text, the better it will be.**** > > ** ** > > Hmm, now I’m wondering whether these terms might not turn out to be > Objects (yet to be released) > http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp14**** > > ** ** > > Deborah**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > - - - - - - - - **** > > Deborah Fritz**** > > TMQ, Inc.**** > > debo...@marcofquality.com**** > > www.marcofquality.com**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA <RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>] *On > Behalf Of *Lapka, Francis > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:55 PM > *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term > like "Board book" or "Scented book"**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Why not:**** > > ** ** > > RDA 6.3 Form of Work: board book **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Francis**** > > ** ** > > _________________________________**** > > *Francis Lapka, Catalog Librarian* > > Yale Center for British Art, Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts**** > > 1080 Chapel Street, PO Box 208280, New Haven, CT 06520**** > > 203.432.9672 francis.la...@yale.edu**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA <RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>] *On > Behalf Of *Deborah Fritz > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:36 PM > *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > *Subject:* [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like > "Board book" or "Scented book"**** > > ** ** > > Does anyone know, which, if any, of the RDA elements for Physical Carriers > would be appropriate for this type of information:**** > > ** ** > > Board book**** > > Rag book**** > > Bath book**** > > Pop-up book**** > > Touch-and-feel book**** > > Scented book**** > > Sound story book**** > > Sticker book**** > > Die-cut book (e.g., shaped like a shark)**** > > ** ** > > Most of these terms are from ONIX, and there are others in the list below > that show up in AACR records now and then:**** > > > http://www.editeur.org/files/ONIX%20for%20books%20-%20code%20lists/ONIX_BookProduct_CodeLists_Issue_20.html > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Under AACR we would simply have added this kind of thing as a 1.7B10 > Physical Description Note (500), but I cannot see where to enter this type > of information as an RDA element (ignoring MARC for the time being)**** > > ** ** > > 3.6 Base Material is a possibility for: **** > > ** ** > > Board book: Base Material: hardboard (?)**** > > Rag book: Base Material: textile**** > > Bath book: Base Material: plastic**** > > > **** > > But I don’t think those terms convey the information as well as the ONIX > terms.**** > > ** ** > > 3.6.1.4 Details of Base Material would allow us to make this more > note-like, e.g., On board pages shaped in profile of a bear (LCCN: > 2009934889) ; but I don’t think ‘Scented book’ fits under Base material at > all. **** > > ** ** > > The Extent of Text instructions (3.4.5) are quite restrictive, with no > allowance for the kind of leeway allowed under other types of materials, > e.g., under 3.4.4.2 (Extent of Still Images) “If none of the terms listed > above is appropriate, use a term designating the type of unit as concisely > as possible”. So we cannot say “1 board book” we must say pagination, or “1 > volume (unpaged)”**** > > ** ** > > In lieu of any other element, I’m leaning towards using 3.22.3 Note on > Extent of Item:**** > > ** ** > > Extent of Text: 1 volume (unpaged)**** > > Note on Extent of Item: Board book**** > > ** ** > > MARC:**** > > 300$a 1 volume (unpaged)**** > > 500$aBoard book.**** > > ** ** > > Does this sound reasonable? **** > > ** ** > > If we do not have an appropriate RDA element for these terms, then they, > technically, do not belong in an RDA record, do they? And yet it seems a > pity to not add this kind of information, if we can just figure out how > this data fits into the RDA attributes/elements.**** > > ** ** > > Deborah**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > - - - - - - - - **** > > Deborah Fritz**** > > TMQ, Inc.**** > > debo...@marcofquality.com**** > > www.marcofquality.com**** > > ** ** > -- Julie Renee Moore Head of Cataloging California State University, Fresno julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com 559-278-5813 “Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from themselves.”... James Matthew Barrie
