While all of that may be true, it is irrelevant to the argument I was making.  
I was not saying anything about assuming whether or not a resource IS under 
copyright.  We're talking about library bibliographic metadata here.  What I 
meant was that I would not assume any particular copyright claim-as in, what 
date something was copyrighted (the original question being discussed).  If 
it's not stated on the resource, then there is no reason at all to put it into 
a bibliographic description, and a  cataloger should certainly never make any 
assumptions about copyright date.  Library bibliographic data is not a registry 
of copyright information.

Kevin M. Randall
Principal Serials Cataloger
Northwestern University Library
k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu>
(847) 491-2939

Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Mitchell, Michael
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:41 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item

Although, according to Wikipedia and several other sources, "Under the Berne 
Convention, copyrights for creative 
works<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_works> do not have to be asserted 
or declared, as they are automatically in force at creation: an author need not 
"register" or "apply for" a copyright in countries adhering to the Berne 
Convention.[10]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#cite_note-Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works_Article_5-10>
 As soon as a work is "fixed", that is, written or recorded on some physical 
medium, its author is automatically entitled to all copyrights in the work, and 
to any derivative works unless and until the author explicitly disclaims them, 
or until the copyright expires. The Berne Convention also resulted in foreign 
authors being treated equivalently to domestic authors, in any country signed 
onto the Convention. The UK signed the Berne Convention in 1887 but did not 
implement large parts of it until 100 years later with the passage of the 
Copyright, Designs and Patents Act of 1988. The United States did not sign the 
Berne Convention until 
1989.[11]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#cite_note-11>"


Michael Mitchell
Technical Services Librarian
Brazosport College
Lake Jackson, TX
Michael.mitchell at brazosport.edu




From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 5:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item

I would never assume any "claim of protection under copyright" if an explicit 
statement about copyright does not appear on the resource.  Our bibliographic 
descriptions are exactly that:  bibliographic DESCRIPTIONS.  There may be some 
agencies that might require specific copyright information that doesn't appear 
on the resource, but libraries generally are NOT those agencies.  Anyone using 
library metadata as a resource for researching copyright information is looking 
in the wrong place!

Kevin M. Randall
Principal Serials Cataloger
Northwestern University Library
k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu>
(847) 491-2939

Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joe Scott
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:52 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>
Subject: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item

I’ve sent this message to both MOUG-L and RDA-L. Apologies for the duplication 
to those who subscribe to both.

2.11.2.1 reads: “A copyright date▼ is a date associated with a claim of 
protection under copyright or a similar regime. Copyright dates include 
phonogram dates (i.e., dates associated with claims of protection for audio 
recordings).”

Can one fairly assume a “claim of protection under copyright” has been made if 
neither symbol appears anywhere on the item? If so, is the phonogram symbol the 
default for recordings?





Joe

Joseph W. Scott
Music Catalog/Metadata Librarian
Resource Access Team
Homer Babbidge Library
Unit 1005-BC
University of Connecticut
Storrs, CT 06029-1005
(860) 486-2565
joe.sc...@lib.uconn.edu<mailto:joe.sc...@lib.uconn.edu>

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