One could make the argument, however, that while it is a bad idea to include information not in the resource in the manifestation record, it may be very welcome in the work records (and both are bibliographic description).
Peter ________________________________ Van: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] namens Mitchell, Michael [michael.mitch...@brazosport.edu] Verzonden: dinsdag 21 mei 2013 16:41 Aan: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Onderwerp: Re: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item Yes, I wasn't sure if it was relevant or not. Just wanted to point it out in case it made a difference in this case. I was pretty sure I'd quickly learn its applicability. Michael Mitchell Technical Services Librarian Brazosport College Lake Jackson, TX Michael.mitchell at brazosport.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:30 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item While all of that may be true, it is irrelevant to the argument I was making. I was not saying anything about assuming whether or not a resource IS under copyright. We're talking about library bibliographic metadata here. What I meant was that I would not assume any particular copyright claim—as in, what date something was copyrighted (the original question being discussed). If it's not stated on the resource, then there is no reason at all to put it into a bibliographic description, and a cataloger should certainly never make any assumptions about copyright date. Library bibliographic data is not a registry of copyright information. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Mitchell, Michael Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:41 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item Although, according to Wikipedia and several other sources, "Under the Berne Convention, copyrights for creative works<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_works> do not have to be asserted or declared, as they are automatically in force at creation: an author need not "register" or "apply for" a copyright in countries adhering to the Berne Convention.[10]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#cite_note-Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works_Article_5-10> As soon as a work is "fixed", that is, written or recorded on some physical medium, its author is automatically entitled to all copyrights in the work, and to any derivative works unless and until the author explicitly disclaims them, or until the copyright expires. The Berne Convention also resulted in foreign authors being treated equivalently to domestic authors, in any country signed onto the Convention. The UK signed the Berne Convention in 1887 but did not implement large parts of it until 100 years later with the passage of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act of 1988. The United States did not sign the Berne Convention until 1989.[11]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#cite_note-11>" Michael Mitchell Technical Services Librarian Brazosport College Lake Jackson, TX Michael.mitchell at brazosport.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 5:09 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item I would never assume any "claim of protection under copyright" if an explicit statement about copyright does not appear on the resource. Our bibliographic descriptions are exactly that: bibliographic DESCRIPTIONS. There may be some agencies that might require specific copyright information that doesn't appear on the resource, but libraries generally are NOT those agencies. Anyone using library metadata as a resource for researching copyright information is looking in the wrong place! Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joe Scott Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:52 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> Subject: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item I’ve sent this message to both MOUG-L and RDA-L. Apologies for the duplication to those who subscribe to both. 2.11.2.1 reads: “A copyright date▼ is a date associated with a claim of protection under copyright or a similar regime. Copyright dates include phonogram dates (i.e., dates associated with claims of protection for audio recordings).” Can one fairly assume a “claim of protection under copyright” has been made if neither symbol appears anywhere on the item? If so, is the phonogram symbol the default for recordings? Joe Joseph W. Scott Music Catalog/Metadata Librarian Resource Access Team Homer Babbidge Library Unit 1005-BC University of Connecticut Storrs, CT 06029-1005 (860) 486-2565 joe.sc...@lib.uconn.edu<mailto:joe.sc...@lib.uconn.edu>
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