I can see that an argument can be made for using the relationship designator as 
the justification for the added entry.  One problem in the past has been that 
relationship designators have been more unstable (likely to disappear) than 
information in the body of the description.  Also, there are those cases when 
there is no suitable relationship designator.

I don't think most patron give any of this a thought.  But in my career I have 
come across a handful of added entries (most or all of them corporate) that 
simply made no sense, and there was no justification anywhere in the record.  
Since I didn't have the piece in hand, I decided not remove these entries, but 
it's quite possible that I left in a false hit.  Requiring justification of 
some sort makes this situation less likely (although I would agree that even 
now it is a rarity).

Michael S. Borries
Cataloger, City University of New York
151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor
New York, NY  10010
Phone: (646) 312-1687
Email: michael.borr...@mail.cuny.edu

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Goldfarb, Kathie
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Justification of Acces Points

Very interesting.  I have been in favor of continuing to document why a person 
has an added entry, but I can see, if there is a relationship designator, that 
those notes could become unnecessary.

In the past, sometimes those notes were needed due to the 'rule of three' which 
prohibited listing those other authors/editors listed on the title page, when 
the cataloger felt the added entry would be useful to the patron.

kathie

Kathleen Goldfarb
Technical Services Librarian
College of the Mainland
Texas City, TX 77539
409 933 8202

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Meehan, Thomas
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 3:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Justification of Acces Points

Is anyone aware of any research into whether patrons want the justification? 
E.g., once a cataloguer has put "Smith, John, editor" how much do most patrons 
want or need to see "edited by John Smith" in a note. At the moment I am all in 
favour of justifying information, especially when an added entry is hanging 
otherwise mysteriously without a relationship designator. Perhaps relationship 
designators will make us question what is actually informative to the patron.

Thanks,

Tom

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Thomas Meehan
Head of Current Cataloguing
Library Services
University College London
Gower Street
London WC1E 6BT

t.mee...@ucl.ac.uk<mailto:t.mee...@ucl.ac.uk>

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg
Sent: 07 June 2013 17:12
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Justification of Acces Points

And not only justify entries, but also justify fixed fields.  For instance, in 
hand right now, the fixed field for Index has value of one, but there is no 
note to that effect.
Justifying it gives information to the patron, in plain English.
What is our goal here?  Down and dirty?  Or cataloging and classification that 
is informative the patron?  It is not enough to say, "Look at all that I have 
catalogued and now the books are on the shelves."  Will the cataloging be fully 
informative to the patron as to what the book/item is???

That is the question.  It is all about communication.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 5:40 AM, Don Charuk 
<dcha...@torontopubliclibrary.ca<mailto:dcha...@torontopubliclibrary.ca>> wrote:
Thank you for your responses. We are of split opinion of the non-requirement of 
justification. some feel the relationship designators are sufficient while 
others still see the need for notes.

Our opinion is also split on how to deal with compilations. Do we go with 
structured notes and make use of the subfields in 505 tag to allow searching or 
use authorized access points? We are leaning towards structured notes since it 
involves no authority work.



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Gene Fieg
Cataloger/Serials Librarian
Claremont School of Theology
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